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  • Diane Utteridge (4/8/2005 3:59:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    I have just had an email forwarded to me from one of the poets who I have added to my site.
    She has asked me to notify the group of people on Poetry Hunter that she left you site because she has no desire to be involvrd with all the time consuming arguments she calims there are here.
    I have agreed to post this on her behalf as she is no longer registered.
    Please do not bring my site into your ramblings. It is open to ALL poets who would like to place a few poems there.
    My aim in starting the site was to give a voice to work I personally enjoyed.
    As such POETIC PALACE is my castle of work that pleases me.
    It is pleasing that so many of you have been there and read the poems. Thankyou for your interest. But please, leave the arguments here in this environment and enjoy my site for what it is. A place of great poetry.

  • Poetry Hound (4/8/2005 3:30:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Now that I think about it, one doesn't necessarily communicate better in person than over the internet. I'm thinking about it in a business sense. My career has taken me all over the world and the style of communicating in China and Japan, for instance, is very different from the style in the West. There is a great value put on indirectness and face saving, and there are certain cultural niceties you have to adhere to in meetings. Even if you know this in advance, it can be maddening to do business in these countries. But over the internet, it seems almost silly to be indirect, and my Chinese and Japanese colleagues understand this for the most part. They get right to the point and send terse emails just like Westerners. So I think the internet has actually improved communications in this regard, or at least made them more efficient. However, with this homogenization of cummunication, the things that gets lost are many of the cultural niceties.

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    • Lenchen Elf (4/8/2005 4:17:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Hi PH A global form of communication can sit quite happily alongside the retention of personal culture, though as you say in business and as I've experienced in the global exchange and analysis of re ... more

  • Lenchen Elf (4/8/2005 12:07:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    I find the whole concept of language removed from its context of accompanying non-verbal comm. to a medium such as this quite fascinating. So many strategies of accompanying written conversations with tempering visual cues such as garish, but sometimes all too necessary emoticons have developed to acommodate a whole sub division of language specifically for speed of interface and to convey tone for accurate interpretation.

    Isn't it intriguing that thought via a medium such as this is then further encrypted by poetry?

    I wonder whether at the language switch required by four or more forms of thought here, from the visual-literal of net speak on an open forum/soap box, to poetic metaphor, symbolism, allusion etc, to then flip back into communication on a one: one basis with individuals in privacy of the mail box, to then hold a physical conversation while typing with a colleague, family member in the 'real world'
    Language is so often an enclosed code within families/soc... here we have several in operation at once, not really surpising we have misunderstandings: -)

    all the best

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    • ***** ***** (4/8/2005 1:49:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      webcams can clarify the emoticon ;)

    • Poetry Hound (4/8/2005 1:34:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      By emoticons I assume you mean things like the Smilies that you put at the end of a message. I've never used them because to me they seem too restrictive. They seek to distill a facial expression or e ... more

  • Poetry Hound (4/8/2005 11:39:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    The detachment thing reminds me of a book by Philip Slater called “Pursuit of Loneliness, ” in which he talks about how people actively seek to avoid human contact. He wrote it in the seventies at a time when lots of do-it-yourself things were cropping up – you could buy stamps from a dispensing machine instead of interacting with a post office employee; you could use drive-up windows at fast food joints and banks to minimize contact with people, etc. Of course, the justification for these things is always convenience and time-saving. But Slater thinks we are also attracted to them because we are afraid of contact with humans. Then we wonder why we’re lonely. The internet affords us this “convenient loneliness” in spades.

  • Poetry Hound (4/8/2005 11:07:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    Sherrie, Lenchen, et al - this topic of the internet and poetry is quite interesting. I haven’t really explored it before. The internet has been integrated into my life in so many ways for almost 20 years, and yet I don’t think about it that much beyond the convenience and the marvel of what it can do. The interpersonal communications on the internet are extremely interesting. Like Sherrie says, you can have completely different personas on different sites. Which is the real one? All of them are. Which means the internet allows you to segment yourself into different personalities and test them out on others. It’s liberating in a way because you can push a given persona to its extreme in a way that you would never do in real life. I think some people extend this personality segmentation to poetry-writing by using different names/personas for different types of poetry. On this site, for example, Mai Opiut is the same person as Amy Murtagh. Neither one is her real name but she uses one persona for more serious poems and the other for lighter fare. (Don’t worry, I haven’t spilled the beans on her – she already revealed it a while ago) . She would have a more difficult time doing that without the internet.

  • Ulrike Gerbig (4/8/2005 8:05:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    i decided to delet the two poems i contribute to the discussion yesterday. they are wasted here.
    so if anyone cares to read check 'ice age' and 'a dubious way to fame' under ulrike gerbig.

    this here is just ridiculous!


  • Allan James Saywell (4/8/2005 6:41:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    where are your great poets mister fry, not you surely not mister england
    i have my list, i have just signed on are you all well

    Allan james saywell

  • Mary Nagy (4/8/2005 5:32:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    I think judging an entire race of people off a few comments here is a little harsh Kubla.........please give Americans a little more credit...we are more than a few people on a poetry website...and I'd like to think many of us are nice people representing America proudly here.

  • mother baxter (4/8/2005 5:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    you americans running a fine poet down, because he is Australian, they did fight a war with you, they are fighting one with Americans now
    i will email the poet and convey what you have said, he does have a following
    you are not a very nice race of people


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    • long gone (4/8/2005 6:16:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      there you go again Allan. You remain the head of your own fanclub. Good for you. Warmest regards, M.

  • Allan James Saywell (4/8/2005 3:26:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    you are not in my world children, university does not teach you survival
    i regard you as inferior, dont try and act superior to me you pathetic little misfits, with your little kiddy games, look at the stats
    i entertain you carry on like imbeciles, the people can see right through you
    now go to bed like good children


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