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  • Rookie shehla carol (6/19/2005 1:55:00 PM) Post reply
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    i read maxim gorky's 'My Apprenticeship, My Universities'.has anyone heard about it? i want to discuss about this book.

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (6/19/2005 7:43:00 AM) Post reply

    Jefferson - the Chaucer representation on this site is far more substantial than most students even at uni level get to read - but the fun Prologue is a bit weird here. It's chopped into five-line stanzas, which makes nonsense of the couplet form; and just as we get to the wonderful Wife of Bath - one line and she's gone! so we miss the ironies and great lines elsewhere like 'methinks he seem-ed bisier than he was...' and 'alle nycht he swyved her bolt upright' and 'tee-hee, quod she, and clapt the window to'.. ah well. Enjoy.

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (6/18/2005 5:12:00 PM) Post reply

    I’m interested in the psychology of those who brag about being in the Top 500. Surely they know they are not better poets than William Shakespeare and other greats who are ranked lower than them. So what do they think their ranking signifies? Even they themselves are vague about the significance of it. What it comes down to, I think, is that they are seeking validation for their poetic efforts and a numeric ranking provides a shortcut to that validation. They can’t get published or enjoy the praise of poetry readers and writers, but by gosh at least they are in the Top 500 list of one poetry site on the internet, even if they are ignorant as to how that Top 500 list is compiled. And it’s interesting that they aren’t curious about how it’s compiled. Perhaps they don’t want to face the truth that it’s based solely on hits. But surely they must already suspect this, since what else would account for their higher ranking than William Shakespeare? As for envy, if folks here are envious of anyone, they are probably envious of Pablo Neruda, T.S. Eliot, and many other greats. They are not envious of Nikhil Parekh because the envy is based not on numeric ranking but on talent.

  • Rookie Andrew Konisberg (6/18/2005 4:55:00 PM) Post reply

    Congratulations, Nikhil, for achieving the world-record forum posting on Poemhunter. I note, as I predicted, that not even ONCE did you discuss poetic form and also, as I predicted, you used the word 'envy' because of your deficits in the study of poetic devices. Posting a poem would not pass muster as a lucid debating skill in any literary debate unless one could discuss the forementioned poem to prove a point, and you didn't. I only claim to be a mediocre poet. Herbert and yourself claim to be up there with the greats but you can provide no argument to substantiate your views. I think you've proved my point, Nikhil. I say this with God's grace.

  • Rookie shehla carol (6/18/2005 1:50:00 PM) Post reply

    i read 'angels' by william blake but i could not understand the meaning.can anyone help me by giving a jist of the poem.

  • Rookie Robert Rorabeck (6/18/2005 12:25:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply


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  • Rookie Raynette Eitel (6/18/2005 11:55:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I'm still pondering over Michael's 'psychotechnosociological'. My goodness, Michael, must we worry about anything so ponderous?

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (6/18/2005 1:44:00 PM) Post reply

      Of course not, Raynette! ... never ponder over the ponderous...but I was brought up on Agatha Christie, and if there's an exquisite corpse there must be an exquisite reason... Seriously though (he ... more

  • Rookie Raynette Eitel (6/18/2005 10:26:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    To go back a little in the discussion, I want to go on record as being appalled that there is a list of 500 best poems (even poets) on this web site. Get real! Do you really believe for a moment that Shel Silverstein should be way ahead of T.S. Eliot or that any one of us should be ahead of a poet like Robert Frost or Emily Dickinson? Those whose poems have been posted there must have a false sense of pride in something that has not been proven. How many of these poems have been published and recognised by the literary community as true art? I wish Poemhunter would not do this. It has compiled this list with no clear criteria and there are poems on the list ahead of true literature. Makes us all look silly.

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    • Rookie ***** ***** (6/18/2005 2:56:00 PM) Post reply

      I feel that the 'greats' and the accomplished poets should not be pitted against people on any website, many of whom write as a hobby. For many of the older poets, they didn't just swanny around sayi ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (6/18/2005 12:01:00 PM) Post reply

      .. oh and by the way, I should mention that my remarks are not fuelled by envy, and that there are valid reasons, if not obvious to all, why any poet among us is rated where (s) he is on any particula ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (6/18/2005 11:44:00 AM) Post reply

      Raynette, view the 'top'lists as unique social documents. Poets write; critics critique; teachers teach; books anthologise... and yet individuals will insist on being individuals... and for one reaso ... more

    • Rookie Andrew Konisberg (6/18/2005 11:43:00 AM) Post reply

      There is no 'Top 500' of art. What would ... more

    • Rookie Poetry Hound (6/18/2005 10:56:00 AM) Post reply

      I concur. Note that the list is not titl ... more

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (6/18/2005 5:02:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    .. and maybe that applies to hatchets too?

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (6/18/2005 5:01:00 AM) Post reply

    Why don't we keep to Arab custom here, and prepare, exhibit and bury the exquisite corpse within 24 hours?

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