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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (7/24/2005 7:35:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies
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    OK guys I just did my homework,54 poems by Richard Brautigan, discuss, compare and contrast and hand it in tomorrow or else... and thanks Aaron...

    It took me back to the 1960s of peace, pot and poetry... life oughta be fun and life's gonna be fun...his poems are short, mostly about five lines, witty because they're short, short because he's seen, had, just one amusing apercu... I read every word because they're that well expressed, kind of friendly Dorothy Parker area that a New Yorker editor might just consider for that blank page-end, then think, no, maybe too sexy - and the sex poems are laughaloud...A few of his poems, if the Beatles had set them (they're Beatle era, whatever the actual date) would be up there with Lennon/Macartney, imho.
    I lol'd at about five/six and snorgled at maybe 12/15 others. And frankly, I was envious of quite a few, as a little sometimes-truth neatly packaged. The after-taste? Witty guy, would've liked to meet him... pass on the music. Yes, thanks Aaron. There are some great forgotten poets hidden in PH. I accidentally hit on some poet writing how she was being slowly taken over by the spirit of Gertrude Stein, unrequested - I was off my zimmer and rolling on the floor...

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  • Rookie A.p. Sweet (7/23/2005 10:33:00 PM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    Everyone needs to read anything by Richard Brautigan. This guy is awesome. And please feel free to read and critique my junk. Thank you.

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (7/23/2005 4:42:00 AM) Post reply

    Lamont, in one of those 'massages in answer to your message' to Sherrie you talked about 'imitating' another poet etc. I tend to work from sound rather than words, and perhaps because of his I've learned a lot, most enjoyably, from writing (respectful) pastiche of 'top class' stuff, prose and poetry. It's as if my mind expands to understand something of the greater mind. And sometimes it really takes off so that I'm using that greater mind to say something 'new' from.
    So I reckon that if you know you're doing it, and it's not 'borrowed clothing', it's a good exercise. But you asked Sherrie, who didn't answer yet?

  • Rookie David Hock (7/23/2005 12:15:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    hey casey, you out there?

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  • Rookie David Hock (7/22/2005 12:49:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    have any of you checked out marcy jarvis? pretty brilliant stuff. Pieces like 'An Arch Typed' recall some of the neo avant-garde poets like Kenneth Koch— might resolve some your squabbles about intellectualism vs. Wordsworth's 'spontaneous overflow of emotion' in poetry. The Title Bout! in this young know-nothing's opinion, great art happens in the tension between— can't separate body and soul. no ghosts in the machine in poetry. Eliot ostensibly hated Whitman, but read him copiously. dirty habit, I guess— couldn't help the influence. but blah blah blah, I'll shut up now before I hurt myself.

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    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (7/22/2005 6:30:00 PM) Post reply

      Gee David, this makes me think. I will go back and read some more of her stuff right this minute. Might keep you informed re progress or changes, if any. Best H

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (7/22/2005 4:26:00 AM) Post reply

    Sherrie, thank you indeed for the encouragement to read Sheila Knowles. A revelatory poet. I've just written an extended comment on one of her poems, so won't try to repeat it... but I've read right through her offerings and feel wiser and more human for the experience. And yes - a superlative demonstration of the definition of free verse as 'prose with enhanced consciousness'. Makes some painstaking wannabees read like stick-on word kit...

  • Rookie Tommy Munos (7/22/2005 2:47:00 AM) Post reply

    Can some one please read my poems, and tell me what genre you think they should be in. Me personily write about sad dark life events. Please rate them and tell me what you think of them. Be honest, even if it mean.

  • Rookie Tommy Munos (7/21/2005 2:38:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    I am new on this web site. I am very young, but I've been threw alot. Can any one please read my poems. They are sad, and some are dark. I still have a couple I still havent typed. Please go and read the ones I have typed.

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    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (7/21/2005 4:27:00 AM) Post reply

      I have read three of your poems. Personally I suggest you concentrate on your school work, namely spelling, grammar and the rest of the three R's, read the poems of others here and elsewhere (they say ... more

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  • Rookie Raynette Eitel (7/20/2005 1:04:00 PM) Post reply

    My comment about people gravitating to what they most understand and connect with had nothing to do about good poetry. There are those of us (not everyone) who enjoy a good challenge, whether in poetry or prose. Others just want to sit and be entertained or validated in some way. Just because a poem is steeped in philosophy or brilliance doesn't necessarily make it 'good writing.' Lamont's poetry is good writing because of his vast, sweeping metaphors as well as the way he makes his experiences with life universal. Many won't want to work hard enough to experience the fullness of his poetry (or T.S. Eliot or Whitman or Plath...) Those who want a more passive experience with poetry can laugh or cry or nod and say, 'That's exactly how I feel' without having to piece it out. Both kinds of poetry have something to offer the reader and we don't have to say which is better.

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (7/19/2005 8:43:00 PM) Post reply

    But I still feel we need to be careful about 'one size fits all' definitions. The analogy of astrology came to my mind this afternoon. Astrology's a useful metaphor because it's a shorthand for talking about the different basic, psychic 'hard-wiring' people have. One person will only be effective writing passionate poems just this side of screams-controlled screams, in fact-while another, with a more philosophical bent, will be at his/her best turning things around the way Lamont does.

    I'm not sure that it needs to be a problem unless we make it one. We'll all have our tempermental favorites, of course...The discipline, as with marriage, may be in embracing the OPPOSITE of what one is tempermentally comfortable with. There might be a case to be made that that's how one grows, as in a marriage partnership, for example.

    I guess I'm presenting something along the lines of the Jungian idea that each of us has a 'shadow' that we need to assimilate before really being whole. And if another poet's style or vantage point irritates us, some might say it's because that person is living out a part of our shadow, and the irritation might be putting us on notice to integrate that disowned side into our own conscious personality.

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