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  • Michael Shepherd (9/8/2005 1:37:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Reading the Cohen poem, it occurs to me that we and most others may have been looking for the wrong context in which to judge the 'poetry (or poeticness) of poetry'. Read by eye on the page, it doesn't seem far off straight 'prose', except for the lineation; certainly unpretentious, almost banal in its diction.

    But rather than argue on lines of poem ] prose ] novel via eye to ear: if we take poetry as an oral/aural art, then isn't the right line, poem ] script ] drama?

    Although I might call Cohen's as-print diction 'prosy', I would love to read the Cohen poem to an audience. I would treat it as a script, and find all sorts of pauses, speed variations, emphases, all the devices of oratory, to 'put it across'. With luck, it would then never quite return to the printed page for that audience. ('We - cool' read by the author on is never quite the same on the page again!)

    Because poetry has been evaluated over the centuries by 'men of letters' and 'literature teachers' who have in mind the novel as the great art form, and even judgments of 'prosody' take into account the music rather than the total theatre or drama of a poem, I think it's possible that we (and that certainly includes me) have been complicit to making poetry a matter of dry judgments which a practising actor, director or playwright would never bring down on a text.

    Sorry about the length of this - thinking as I wrote... Lawrence and other theatre-experienced poets might like to comment on this?

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/8/2005 3:40:00 PM) Post reply

      I don't necessarily mean, turn it into a song.. that would still maintain some equivalent of metre - but rather, 'declaim' it. There are too many variations of rhythm etc in a poem to set it to anythi ... more

    • Cheri Leigh (9/8/2005 3:09:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      You make a good point Michael. Poetry is an aural medium. Perhaps I would have thought differently if I had recited the poem out loud. Still, there is a difference between poetry and prose. Does th ... more

  • A.p. Sweet (9/7/2005 11:30:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Has anyone here read Galway Kinnell's The Book Of Nightmares? If not, I highly recommend it to anyone looking for weird and obscure poetry.

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  • Mason Maestro (9/7/2005 11:22:00 AM) Post reply

    I'd like to prompt some writers to take a look at one of my poems so I could get some much needed feedback. 'Tumbledown Slums' can be found on my list, and i would totally appreciate the honesty from some of you sharp minded artists. thanks... jazzmaestro

  • Allan James Saywell (9/7/2005 2:08:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    The riddle of Pearson was solved he didn't disappear his groupy is still active
    he only had one groupy, i believe there was a poem explaining it all
    the poem was called the 'Kane Mutiny'

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    • Raynette Eitel (9/7/2005 12:51:00 PM) Post reply

      Allan, I'm surprised that you would promote 'Kane Mutiny.' It is a personal and vicious attack on a fine poet. There's no excuse for one person attacking any of us in such a vile, obscene fashion. ... more

  • Andreas Saarva (9/6/2005 9:00:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    How can I come into the TOP500 poems? : /

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/6/2005 5:32:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I would also replace the word 'come' by using the more neutral 'get'. That's another step forward and upward. Blondes (assuming all Swedes are thus challenged) are not allowed in the 500 club. H

    • Michael Shepherd (9/6/2005 5:00:00 PM) Post reply

      .. and one way NOT to do it, Andreas, is to vote for your own poem 259 times...naughty lad. Or did Tess vote the 259 times? Thus far, your 'poems' read like letters. It's not the same. Do as Adam says ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (9/6/2005 10:47:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Ho ho ho, as we say in Lappland around Christmas time - sorry,'s the time for those high on the snowy peaks of The 500 to tell the world - not how THEY got there - but How I Got There ... more

  • A.p. Sweet (9/5/2005 9:54:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    If you could meet one poet(dead or alive) and hang out with them for one day, who would it be and why?

    -Mine would be Charles Bukowski, because not only do I love his work, but we would probably just go to the track and smoke and drink and just sit and listen all day. We would argue with the people at the track and then make fun of them. It would be fun. That would be inspiring to me as a struggling and dismal poet.

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/6/2005 6:38:00 AM) Post reply

      Aaron, I hope you've read John Kay's poem 'The Face' before you set off?

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/6/2005 4:04:00 AM) Post reply

      Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. No question. I would share quarters with him on Wartburg Castle, have a number of beautiful ladies as friends, one a bit more amplified, hike through the countryside and ... more

    • Allan James Saywell (9/5/2005 10:42:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      yes sweet and when you got drunk after one drink and fell over he would have urinated on you

  • A.p. Sweet (9/4/2005 6:25:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    I would like to say sorry for the post a few days ago, it was childish in nature and it didn’t make me look very good. I know it is no excuse, but I was having a very bad day and when this happens I like to come here, read some poetry and listen to what you all have to say. When I got here and the forum was swamped with negativity I just blew up and started a rant. I truly apologize for it.

    I have deleted the post from the forum and I hope you folks don’t look down upon me. I will be civilized next time when I have a problem.

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    • Allan James Saywell (9/4/2005 6:43:00 PM) Post reply

      mister sweet appears to have lost it for a day, with something i have not read because it would be negative for me to read something that mister sweet has said sorry for, being a 24 hour crazy mysel ... more

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  • Michael Shepherd (9/4/2005 3:01:00 PM) Post reply

    So how are we getting on with our critiques of Aaron Sweet's poetry as suggested some few days ago?

  • Raynette Eitel (9/3/2005 2:32:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    If you're interested in a really insightful poem written about a loving relationship, find David Nelson Bradshir's new poem, 'Pink and Blue.' Every woman would love her man to have that kind of insight and understanding. David's poetry usually rhymes but is contemporary and truly wonderful. Give him a look.


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  • (B10Z ) (9/3/2005 1:33:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    hey i just wrote a new poem called Spoken Wind. Check it out and tell me what you think.

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/3/2005 3:58:00 PM) Post reply

      imho: the last four lines could almost be a classical haiku, bringing together the visible and the invisible and the emotions of time. However, I don't get any connection with the first two lines. The ... more

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