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  • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/9/2005 7:48:00 AM) Post reply | Read 8 replies
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    hoyahoy, good friends! perhaps we have already had this debate (i can't recall) , but i have wondered: What about Bukowski? truly a poet visionary? did he carry the Torch for the Beats into the next century? or was he merely a drunk charlatan hack who lucked out and published a few things? thoughts? ideas? complaints?

    i enjoy Buke more as a novelist than a poet. he had a keen way of describing events and thoughts, usually using one to convey another. and he was funny as all hell. was he a genius? perhaps not. but who can say whether or not they'll be studying his writings in universities all over the world 100 years from now?

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    • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/9/2005 9:54:00 AM) Post reply

      i asked because i've been noticing more and more college-aged poets cling to Bukowski's work tighter than a Baptist to the Bible. i've read some of Buke's poems at readings and such to warm the crowd ... more

    • Rookie Lamont Palmer (11/9/2005 9:37:00 AM) Post reply

      I enjoy Bukowski on a certain level. He was a very raw and honest poet and theres something carthartic about his work, but as an artist he was lazy and wrote alot of stuff that simply wasnt quality po ... more

    • Rookie Lori Boulard (11/9/2005 9:16:00 AM) Post reply

      oh, you're talking about my MAN! ! I love him and all his obnoxiousness as well. I agree with Ulrike, and whether or not his poems will change future generations I don't know, but I'll drink to him ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/9/2005 8:35:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      ... yawn... yes Jake. we did. we did. Hi ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (11/9/2005 8:04:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I haven't read a lot of his stuff, but o ... more


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  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/9/2005 4:06:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    A book recommendation for all women regardless of philosophy and those men who can take it, is (probably known to may) Clarissa Pinkola Est├ęs 'Women Who Run With The Wolves'.
    It is not poetry but......
    Best
    H

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    • Rookie Max Reif (11/9/2005 8:11:00 AM) Post reply

      A-woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! She's a good writer. She's a poet too.

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/8/2005 8:47:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    THANK GOD YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SO INNOCENT I WROTE A POEM THIS MORNING ABOUT TARTS
    A YOUNG GIRL SUPPOSEDLY FIFTEEN SAID IT WAS A GREAT POEM ABOUT TARTS AND IT
    WAS ABOUT TARTS OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE MANY TARTS I'M JUST GLAD THAT SHE SAW A CHILDS TART AND NOT MY TART SHE EMAILED ME AND SAID SHE LIKES MY WORK
    THEN I THOUGHT TO MYSELF OH HELL I HOPE THAT MY POEMS DONT OFFEND ANYONE BUT
    AS POETS WE HAVE TO WRITE THE TRUTH AS WE SEE IT AND YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE TO BE OUR CRITICS AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO CAST JUDGMENT

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    • Rookie ***** ********* (11/9/2005 11:43:00 AM) Post reply

      I agree, to a degree, you little orstralian tinker (that's an English accent by the way! lol) I must remember however that there are kids on this site. At my previous haunt, I was kept away from un ... more

  • Rookie ***** ********* (11/8/2005 5:24:00 PM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I'm told if I insult one of you guys on here, someone will whisper sweet french nothings in my ear! I'm a bit naive ya know. Was the bar steward lying to me or what?

    Hello I'm Smiling Tai

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    • Rookie Lucy Burrow (11/9/2005 7:38:00 AM) Post reply

      The only sweet nothings I ever get are....... No sugar, NO CHOCOLATE, No cakes, No sweeets, no biscuits........ Of course, I never listen! ! ! ! ; 0) Lucy

    • Rookie ***** ********* (11/9/2005 6:21:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Thanks guy and gals, what do you mean Michael? I am all woman mate, I just kick off like you guys tend to! because I am a tough cookie when provoked! Sherrie, how do you cope with so many poetic re ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/9/2005 4:58:00 AM) Post reply

      A mixture of classy poetry, shrewd personal insults, your personal measurements, and an invented persona - even a change of virtual gender - will take you far on this Forum: a line of drooling dogs fo ... more

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/8/2005 8:55:00 PM) Post reply

      No more sweet words on your poems you n ... more

    • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/8/2005 5:44:00 PM) Post reply

      WELL HELLO IT'S NICE TO HAVE A BIT OF FR ... more

  • Rookie Max Renn (11/8/2005 3:12:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    I am a new member from Demark

    I am completely new to the site

    please don't make disturbing remarks about me.

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  • Rookie Bridgid Patrick (11/8/2005 1:52:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    hello everybody. pls rate my poems. dont be too harsh thanks

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    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/8/2005 4:23:00 PM) Post reply

      Don't listen to Miranda. H

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/8/2005 2:37:00 PM) Post reply

      Bridget, I think that for the moment you should be satisfied with the comments that those of your own age leave on your poems. Older poets might be unkind about bad spelling, words missed out, the ago ... more

  • Rookie Joseph Daly (11/8/2005 1:37:00 PM) Post reply | Read 9 replies

    Oh do come on people. Lyric writers and poets are not the same thing simply because they deal in words. To compare lyrics to poetry is on par with comparing a Guiness ad with a David Lynch film. They serve a different purpose. Cohen, Dylan and the semi illiterate David Gray can hardly be classed as poetical let alone poets.

    I speak from experience.

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  • Rookie Joseph Daly (11/8/2005 1:31:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Can I ask any serious readers to check out Sal Carter's work as it is truely incredible. This is a real talent in the making.

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/8/2005 3:11:00 PM) Post reply

      I totally agree, and thanks. And not just 'in the making' - one or two are a tour de force of recreated actuality that can chill. This guy's going far.

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/8/2005 12:57:00 PM) Post reply

    Lori, fantastic work. Alphabetically by author I reckon is enough to negotiate the volume, and saves having an index.

  • Rookie Lori Boulard (11/8/2005 12:48:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Happy Tuesday, all. So we have 32 contributors and roughly 80 poems, some of which may spill into two-pagers. When I hear yay or nay from the last that got in under the wire, I'll list them. PoHo, no more invites, 'kay?

    Now, how do I organize these? Theme is nice but difficult; alphabetically? Randomly to mix it up? Let me know, I'm not calling this one.

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    • Rookie Ernestine Northover (11/8/2005 3:24:00 PM) Post reply

      I agree, alphabetically is the most sensible way I think. Anything to make your job as easy as possible Lori, I adfmire what you are doing. Sincerely Ernestine

    • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/8/2005 1:42:00 PM) Post reply

      I agree alphabetically will save alot of ''bickering'' too! (not that anyone would!)

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