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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/12/2005 11:14:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply
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    Jefferson Carter Male,62, United States (11/12/2005 11: 04: 00 AM)
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    Marcy, don't be such a prickly bitch! ! Of course, you're talking to Michael, and to me, and to everyone on this forum. JC

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/12/2005 11:09:00 AM) Post reply

    OK JC, serious answer: is 'derivative' standing in for 'written for readers with the same cultural background' which is surely OK? And is 'innovative' the term for 'experimental' when it is accepted? Isn't e.e.cummings a good figure to choose for this discussion?

  • Rookie Daniel Tyler (11/12/2005 10:02:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    What criteria does poemhunter.com base the top 500 poets and poems on?

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    • Rookie Lori Boulard (11/12/2005 12:25:00 PM) Post reply

      Daniel, Michael's right, and that 'list' is quite a victim of tampering or just plain bad logic. Besides, there is a difference between the most popular poets and the best poets, the latter being far ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/12/2005 10:40:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Oh Dan Dan, it's a can-can of squirmy wormies.. the formula is a X b X c X y where a is the number of hits each day, b is the current number of ratings, c is the current rating-figure, and y is the x ... more

    • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/12/2005 10:29:00 AM) Post reply

      I thought it was 'hits' but I don't really know cause some of the poems don't have many hits at all.............who knows. I think it's much better to just ignore both of the lists. (Save your sanit ... more

  • Rookie Ikazoboh Austine Jeffrey (11/12/2005 6:42:00 AM) Post reply

    hi, micheal its Austine. I think you should give a second thought to it was it really the apple?

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/12/2005 4:04:00 AM) Post reply

    Thanks, Jerry. I didn't know that one. Incidentally, are her 'books' preserved in some library?

  • Veteran Poet - 1,219 Points Jerry Hughes (11/12/2005 12:49:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Movers, A J S and Shakers, another superb Emily Dickinson gem, enjoy it with me:

    If I can stop one heart from breaking,
    I shall not live in vain;
    If I can ease on life the aching,
    Or cool one pain,
    Or help one fainting robin
    Unto his nest again,
    I shall not live in vain.

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    • Veteran Poet - 1,219 Points Allan James Saywell (11/12/2005 12:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply


  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/11/2005 6:33:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    'I didn't know an apple could sexually motivate me'..that's exactly what Eve said to me when I interviewed her for the Eden Ecological Review...
    JT, what our little banter has established is that Frost has more humour and hidden jokes and allusions than I had given him credit for, and that as you might expect with a poet, he has pre-empted his commentators by being self-aware -he knows that apples stand for physical as well as mental and emotional experiences, the very stuff of poetry. The whole extended metaphor of the poem becomes more and more enjoyable. That's what poetry's about, and 'After...' is his life's metaphor. One thing it's not is a revelation of psycho-sexual sickness.
    Did you miss the exquisite joke that the sheet of ice through which he sees a distorted world, apples and 'grass', was made by the *frost*? He's way ahead of us!

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    • Rookie J.T. Best (11/11/2005 7:12:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It wasn't the apple on the tree that got Adam in trouble, it was the tomato on the ground. Think about it, that little diddy applies to our fiery exchange here in an unequovical sort of way. Cheers, J ... more

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/11/2005 5:04:00 PM) Post reply

    i didn't know an apple could sexually motivate me i took a bite out of a big red one this morning and bingo i'm going to have a crack at moms apple pie now

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/11/2005 4:21:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Just a brief comment on our latest visitor:
    While I have a soft spot for renegades I must admit that you don't fit the category. I think you are a somewhat bitter old fogy whose sex drive has long ago disappeared, dried up and who now needs to surround his mind with images of lustfulness, seeing a vagina in wait for a humonguous penis on every street corner. You might reflect upon the rejection you have experienced elsewhere, it is not always bad to swim against the stream; you, however, seem to swim in the vaginal secretions of your dreams.
    I am surprised at your ad hominem smirks in your remarks, so it is that you call those who don't see things your way 'naive' and 'sexually withdrawn', you talk about libido and perception.Would you really know the meaning of those words?
    To me, from reading only what you have offered on this (surely brief) visit to this site, I must say that you have failed in your eagerness to impress me. Throwing in images of the Inkblot test, completely out of context and with no relevance to what I said reminds me of the one who uses images that would tend to convey to the reader that there is an actual intellect hidden there.
    I don't know what your problem is but don't hold your breath for me or anyone else to explain the punchline to you, we are sexually too inhibited, naive and impotent to play in the same league.
    Your interpretation of Frost's poem did not find any admirers (that is what you crave, is it not) for the simple reason that it is the reflection of the inner turmoil of an unhappy man who -as you had yourself touched on- may yet benefit from a session or two with a professional psychoanalyst. Just think about it, you could study up on the inkblot test, the Enneagram, the HOD test and use expressions like selectional restriction violation and conversion reaction.
    If you pay the man enough he may read your essay(s) and act impressed at least while you are there.
    Meanwhile, I have a feeling that you will have to soon wander off, there is something about you that is less than endearing. And I am not talking about the glaring error in your essay concerning the use of the English language.
    It has been interesting though, your visit. I hope it was for you, too.

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    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/11/2005 7:30:00 PM) Post reply

      Swimming upstream? You? Frankly my dear, I don't think you are swimming. H

    • Rookie J.T. Best (11/11/2005 6:54:00 PM) Post reply

      'Methinks he doth protest to much, thus adding credence to the lie.' Cheers, J.T. Best

    • Rookie J.T. Best (11/11/2005 6:13:00 PM) Post reply

      Drats, I have been asked to leave another free expression forum. Anybody out there think I am not swimming upstream.....and.....I'm still waiting for someone to send me a reference that details those ... more

  • Rookie Lori Boulard (11/11/2005 2:29:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    happy Friday indeed. I'm about bald from tearing my hair out trying to set up a webpage on geocities.com, and for lack of technical savvy (ie my husband) I give up. Poems/bios/cover/intro are ALMOST DONE! I'm just waiting to finalize a couple pieces but they're definitely ready for perusal. If I get them into a PDF (rough draft, just to check data) , can we post them on someone's homepage(Max, Ronberge...) ?

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    • Rookie Max Reif (11/11/2005 6:02:00 PM) Post reply

      great, Ron. Lori, you're welcome to use my home pages too, I just don't know anything about putting pdf files on them.

    • Rookie Lori Boulard (11/11/2005 2:50:00 PM) Post reply

      thanks, Sally. Wait till you see it...I get so excited every time I flip through. Granted, it's not 'pretty' and needs more work, but it's almost real!

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