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  • Michael Gessner (9/29/2005 9:42:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    I agree with JC-or whomever he might be-one of his many selves. While there are similarities among song lyrics and poetry, and keeping in mind that narrative poetry was often sung, (e.g., 'The Iliad, ' & 'The Odyssey, ') there are significant differences, particularly between what has been traditionally considered 'durable' poetry, and lyrics meant (intended,) to be sung to music, and written so, (composed for this purpose.) Robert Allen Zimmerman, (a.k.a. Bobby D.,) knew this. When an interview asked him if he was a poet or a musician, he replied, 'I'm a song and dance man.' He had it right.

  • allan james saywell (9/29/2005 9:32:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    come on fellow poets lets get behind max with a few lines about the singer poet
    or max and i will combine our limited talents and produce a masterpiece
    you wouldn't like that would you, come on men and woman, the singer had talent
    he will be remembered as a poet and songwriter why dont we do it and post it to him let him know that poetry lives on, in the hearts and souls of human beings
    come on just because my name turns you on doesn't mean you have to turn your back on max who has a poetic heart, do you know that a group of artists started this craze, mister sheperd will tell you all about it, come on carter we want you to contribute as well(we want everybody who is a poet regardless of age)
    you can be a hundred or ten) well i'm off to the Teepee to have a puff

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  • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (9/29/2005 10:26:00 AM) Post reply | Read 8 replies Stage

    since we've been talking about Dylan, i thought i'd post the lyrics to 'Along Comes Mary' by the Association from 1965. i was always enthralled by the lyrics. and while it's a silly pop song, i really dig the arrangements of the rhymes and Russ Giguere fires them off like machine gun rounds in the recording, much like Dylan did at the time with 'Subterranean Homesick Blues'.

    for those who don't know, Mary isn't a girl. she's a drug. :)

    Along Comes Mary

    Every time I think that I'm the only one who's lonely
    Someone calls on me
    And every now and then I spend my time in rhyme and verse
    And curse those faults in me

    And then along comes Mary
    And does she want to give me kicks, and be my steady chick
    And give me pick of memories
    Or maybe rather gather tales of all the fails and tribulations
    No one ever sees

    When we met I was sure out to lunch
    Now my empty cup tastes as sweet as the punch

    When vague desire is the fire in the eyes of chicks
    Whose sickness is the games they play
    And when the masquerade is played and neighbor folks make jokes
    As who is most to blame today

    And then along comes Mary
    And does she want to set them free, and let them see reality
    From where she got her name
    And will they struggle much when told that such a tender touch as hers
    Will make them not the same

    When we met I was sure out to lunch
    Now my empty cup tastes as sweet as the punch

    And when the morning of the warning's passed, the gassed
    And flaccid kids are flung across the stars
    The psychodramas and the traumas gone
    The songs are left unsung and hung upon the scars

    And then along comes Mary
    And does she want to see the stains, the dead remains of all the pains
    She left the night before
    Or will their waking eyes reflect the lies, and make them
    Realize their urgent cry for sight no more

    When we met I was sure out to lunch
    Now my empty cup tastes as sweet as the punch

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  • Max Reif (9/29/2005 8:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies Stage

    What do poets eat?

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  • Michael Shepherd (9/29/2005 6:17:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Thinking back on that 'Judas' moment, which some commentators pass off as just a heckle, it could be the classical 'tragic fall' moment where character fails? 'Folk song' is by definition, the simple and pure-hearted singing to their ilk. 'Turning up the volume' is more than just that - it can be taken as auditory bullying; and conforming to current fashions of musical presentation is to run the risk of becoming - as one musician commented - 'show business' instead of 'show'. There's still a devoted minority (and proud of it, as non-commercial) audience over here for folk music. Eminem seems to be going through the same tricky crucial 'moment'. Last night we had his discoverer-producers congratulating themselves for becoming rich through his acceptance by the former 'ebonic-only' Detroiters...

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    • Max Reif (9/29/2005 8:24:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      It has a lot of elements of a tragic fall. Looking at it from that perspective, the hero's only flaw, or hubris, I guess, is underestimating the almost infinite resistance of 'the public'. I can say t ... more

  • allan james saywell (9/29/2005 6:06:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    is there a naughty poem on site i hope the granny association of America
    hasn't objected to my leaking granny, i will have to learn a different
    language to confuse them

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/29/2005 4:30:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies Stage

    Hi everyone:
    It has just been brought to my attention that the hidden member facility seems to be working either only regionally or intermittently.
    Three members were shown as hidden about 5 minutes ago but they were all listed as well. Total numbers were 8 visible, three hidden. But 11 names showed in alphabetical order.
    Is this deliberate or what?
    Any ideas?
    Best wishes
    H

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/29/2005 5:20:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      They may, of course, have felt obliged to consider whether your Adolf poem rendered the management liable for incitement to world terrorism...Our Leader Rises Again to Complete His Task...think about ... more


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  • allan james saywell (9/28/2005 11:38:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    i posted a poem this morning i just wrote it, i read it a while ago i hope it doesn't offend anyone, some one gave me a one, i forgive you and i ask you your not a granny are you, there is one line involving a granny i do say sorry to all the grannies and the little girls with curls the little legal girls who are of legal age to be sitting in a folk singers lap but i do write on impulse
    and when i do, anything can happen

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/29/2005 5:37:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Mr Asm, you should have edited your impulsive poem! ...but you have a brutal point, the world hasn't entirely followed Dylan's advice... after you've edited, send it to Dylan. He might appreciate it, ... more

  • Richard Jackson (9/28/2005 10:56:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Some information:
    'Sticks and stones may break my bones....'
    A nursery rhyme!

    © Richard Jackson 2005

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/29/2005 3:05:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      And sticks and stones don't ever cry, that's why I let them pass me by. But poison ivy, stinging nettles and yugoslavian java kettles they must be watched most every minute as you can see, it's ... more

  • Allan James Saywell (9/28/2005 9:45:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    this is one for herbert to translate(MILLIONEN) STEHEN HINTER MIR
    DER SINN DES HITLERGRUSSES

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/28/2005 9:59:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Allan, as far as I know this was not a poem then (are you creating one?) . it was the mocking photomontage of a workers' newspaper in the early thirties, saying ' I've got millions behind me....' mea ... more


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