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  • Allan James Saywell (9/11/2005 7:44:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    I WANT TO SAY ONE THING REGARDING POLITICS, YOU THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA VOTED
    FOR YOUR PRESIDENT REGARDLESS OF THE ERRORS HE AND HIS PARTY MIGHT HAVE MADE IT WAS YOUR VOTE SO NOW SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT AND WORK TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE

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  • Allan James Saywell (9/11/2005 7:19:00 PM) Post reply

    Sherie you are right about the fact that as poets no one is going to say
    let me help you become a well known poet here is a couple of thousand dollars to promote your poetry it's not going to happen all we have is the ability to write poetry on a site such as poem hunter and hope that some people read it and say this person is a poet if you have talent people will recognise that talent the problem can be it is usually after death
    but if you are a genuine poet it will not matter just that your poetry
    will reach out and touch someone the bonus is that you can relate to people that are the same as you who come from all walks of life, different countries
    the biggest thing is sharing your love of poetry and have fun while doing it

  • Allan James Saywell (9/11/2005 6:14:00 PM) Post reply

    sorry about that disappearing but i made a spelling error, sonja there are people who want to hear there poetry recited by a professional regardless of the fact of cost let it be said that i am not one of those people
    i did record my voice reciting poetry, some of my poetry and burnt it on cd
    and i might add it was a couple of years ago i did it because i wanted to save it for my children to listen to after i move on so it is not a new idea
    back in the fiftys in america you could record yourself in a studio singing
    then get it cut on acetone elvis did it for his mother, at a cost
    i did a backup copy of all my poetry on dvd just in case cyber space eats it up
    anyway how are you, can i be of service to you in anyway

  • ***** ***** (9/11/2005 4:49:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    They will do the product but at a high price for the individual poet and with no ensuing profit or profile for the poet.

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    • Allan James Saywell (9/11/2005 6:35:00 PM) Post reply

      nothing is free Sonja if you want a profile you have to work hard promote yourself you might even have to dip your hand into your pocket and spend some money i know a woman poet who has a cupboard fu ... more

  • Allan James Saywell (9/11/2005 4:42:00 PM) Post reply

    poetry.com and the International Library of Poetry used to put poetry onto
    cd they did a the best international poets of 2002 they had a professional reader the poems were very professionaly done in a recording studio with
    music as a background they recorded one of my poems 'MIRROR MIRROR' YOU CAN
    dO YOUR OWN POETRY AT HOME with great results on cd all you need is a mike
    a burner and a clear voice make sure there is no dogs barking in the backgroud

  • allan james saywell (9/10/2005 5:15:00 PM) Post reply

    well mister sheperd the blob is male i will show you mine if you will show me yours instead of doing a e-book on my poetry i am going to sell my poems to
    mister saywell he is going to arrange my poems for me in his own name of course
    for a KINGS RANSOME OF A BUCK A POEM which will increase after my death less tax
    of a buck fifty and death duty of two bucks on the provisor that i rise again
    which is a good deal considering he doesn't realize that i'm immortal and do
    often walk on water

  • Michael Shepherd (9/10/2005 2:36:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Cheri, thanks. There's a similar argument put forward most clearly by an Indian grammarian of around the 10th century CE: that fine languages such as Sanskrit (and the finest usage of other languages) slowly lose their natural power to promote action, over time, as words are used carelessly, inaccurately, profligately. Only by acknowledging every word as connected ultimately to the One Creator, and thus of universal, absolute power and meaning, by writers and speakers, may language be restored to an active force. It is based on the aphorism 'Words mean what they do'...

    It was re-discovered by American philologists and logophiles of the early 20th century and subsequently, such as the guy whose name escapes me right now, who began as fire prevention officer - it's a great story - whose practical observations led him to become a foremost scholar in this area of language as force...

    This may seem a bit heavy to those who love to fling words around in the quest for the freshness of originality, seeking the 'surprising' simile or metaphor (which all too often impresses superficially, but carries no real power to enlighten): but I think this view will ring a bell with many who seek that power in poetry. It does of course imply a very considerable study of the meaning and implications of individual words and grammar - or at the very least, persistent care in writing.

    I was going to post this anyway before you brought this up, but it looked a little pointed in view of my personal opinion about a certain poem... so thanks, and make of it what you will!

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    • Cheri Leigh (9/10/2005 4:27:00 PM) Post reply

      So - does it all come down then, to personal responsibility? If we are held accountable for every word we speak/write (for what is literature really but an enduring form of speech?) then it behoves u ... more

    • Lamont Palmer (9/10/2005 4:26:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Interesting Michael. However, I do wonder what e.e.cummings, James Joyce, Gertrude Stein, Hart Crane, H.D., George Oppen, Frank O'Hara, Robert Creeley, Charles Olson, John Berryman, William S. Burroug ... more

  • Cheri Leigh (9/10/2005 2:02:00 PM) Post reply

    I just found this in a book I'm reading and thought it was interesting:

    True poetry is born of Scrutiny
    Scrutiny, the son of Meditation
    Meditation, the son of Lore
    Lore, the son of Inquiry
    Inquiry, the son of Investigation
    Investigation, the son of Knowledge
    Knowledge the son of Understanding,
    Understanding the son of Wisdom,
    Wisdom, the son of Surrender to the Divine Will.
    (Lawhead, Stephen R. in 'Patrick', Zondervan,2003)

    In light of our recent discussions I thought the train of thought interesting. The book is about St. Patrick and is well written, though I don't really know much about Patrick so I can't say how well researched it is. At any rate the poem made me think about poetry and its sources. I hope it is enjoyed here. CLR

  • Michael Shepherd (9/10/2005 10:17:00 AM) Post reply

    Allan, Poemhunter uses Adobe Acrobat for its e-books. So you could just as well copy your favourite poems onto an Adobe blank file. You'd miss the PH title-page, but you could design one just as easily from straight type. Or you could use Poemhunter to download your complete output, and then delet the unfavourites from that Adobe file (I guess - anyone disagree?) .

  • Allan James Saywell (9/10/2005 6:13:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    perhaps someone could do a e book on some of the comedic things that have happened on poem hunter i have had quite a lot of belly laughs on this site
    some real good times it can get quite scary on a lot of occasions with some of
    the different personalities that turn up from time to time the biggest worry is the males that assume the roles of females now that is scary

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