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  • Jerry Hughes (9/22/2005 5:44:00 PM) Post reply

    Totally agree with you, Mahnaz. Scrap the scoring system completey for two very good reasons. Firstly, to stop petulant puppies going apeshit because (they) expected a much higher score. Secondly, who are we kidding by expecting exceptional points every time we post?

    Human nature being what it is, a points system creates derision when it's given open slater. A better method would be to have an 'appointed panel' of our peers but changed periodically to ensure fairness. So movers and shakers, kick this suggestion about and see what comes from it?

  • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (9/22/2005 10:49:00 AM) Post reply | Read 14 replies

    here's something to increase everybody's word power:

    BLOETRY: Poetry written for the sole purpose of a school assignment; shallow, meaningless, and two-dimensional poetry.

    i.e.: 'I can't believe i got an 'A' in Creative Writing for that manuscript of bloetry i turned in.'

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  • Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 7:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    I've discovered a delight in Dana Gioia's poetry: a sure heart, musical lines, pitch-perfect enjambment, and an elegaic spareness. IMHO.

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    • David Nelson Bradsher (9/22/2005 8:35:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I agree, Michael. Of course, I'm a little biased in that he's affiliated with The New Formalists (and Timothy Steele, my favorite) , but I'm always motivated after reading his expert blank verse and o ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 7:32:00 AM) Post reply

      ...and best of all - reading him makes me want to write poetry...

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/22/2005 5:13:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Wo wird einst des Wandermueden
    letzte Ruhestaette sein?
    Unter Palmen in dem Sueden
    unter Linden an dem Rhein?

    Werd ich wo in einer Wueste
    eingescharrt von fremder Hand?
    Oder ruh ich an der Kueste
    eines Meeres in dem Sand?

    Immerhin, mich wird umgeben,
    Gotteshimmel, dort wie hier.
    Und als Totenlampen schweben
    nachts die Sterne ueber mir.


    Where will he lay down his head
    wand'rer, tired from his chores
    Southern palm trees make his bed
    Linden at the Rhine's great shores?

    What if strangers lay to rest
    me in desert's foreign land
    or perhaps I shall be blessed
    on the coast, deep down in sand?

    Never mind, I'll be protected
    by our Heaven's wondrous sights
    stars for death are well reflected,
    shine above me every night.

    Note:
    The exact wording was slightly altered which would
    be unacceptable in a professional
    translation of anything
    but poetry.
    The ambience and the meaning remain the same.

    H

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    • Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 5:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      What I'm hearing here is the mix of the Lutheran, Romantic, and Rational sounds of the 18th century which have percolated through translation into our English hymns! Interesting. A propos a discussion ... more

  • Marcy Jarvis (9/22/2005 12:28:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Here's a challenge for Jefferson and Lamont. Battle it out, boys.

    Errata

    Where it says snow
    read teeth-marks of a virgin
    Where it says knife read
    you passed through my bones
    like a police-whistle
    Where it says table read horse
    Where it says horse read my migrant's bundle
    Apples are to remain apples
    Each time a hat appears
    think of Isaac Newton
    reading the Old Testament
    Remove all periods
    They are scars made by words
    I couldn't bring myself to say
    Put a finger over each sunrise
    it will blind you otherwise
    That damn ant is still stirring
    Will there be time left to list
    all errors to replace
    all hands guns owls plates
    all cigars ponds woods and reach
    that beer-bottle my greatest mistake
    the word I allowed to be written
    when I should have shouted
    her name

    Charles Simic

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    • David Nelson Bradsher (9/22/2005 8:36:00 AM) Post reply

      Wow, this poem really makes me want to seek out more of his work. Thanks for posting that.

    • Poetry Hound (9/22/2005 5:11:00 AM) Post reply

      I love Charles Simic and this is a good one. I think it's a challenge for poets to write something that is at once abstract and yet very down-to-earth personal.

    • Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 4:15:00 AM) Post reply

      Yes, what a brilliant poem! And yes, 'romantic'. We had a series of revelatory art exhibitions here some years back which set a new standard for art history. 'Romanticism' was perhaps the greatest of ... more

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/22/2005 12:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    A source is, of course
    like the horse of remorse
    but I shall not endorse
    a poetic divorce.

    H

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  • Marcy Jarvis (9/22/2005 12:10:00 AM) Post reply

    Why is there a 'Source' box at the bottom of each submission page and yet, when you fill it out, it doesn't appear?

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/21/2005 10:12:00 PM) Post reply

    Another shortie, this time Goethe.
    I only do those that I have not seen in their English translations.
    H
    Goethe Translated


    Was ist Unendlichkeit?
    Wie kannst du dich so quaelen?
    Geh in dich selbst!
    Entbehrst du drin Unendlichkeit in Sein und Sinn
    so ist dir nicht zu helfen.


    What is eternity?
    Why must it torture you?
    Search in your self!
    And if, within your own identity you fail to find
    finality without the end,
    nothing shall save you.

  • Lamont Palmer (9/21/2005 5:16:00 PM) Post reply

    Thanks Sherrie for pointing out in black and white how DG, quite nicely, makes Dan Schneider's argument...maybe in not so strident a way as DS, but he makes it just the same.

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    We have an odd situation: although more bad poetry is being published now than ever before in American history, most of the reviews are positive. Critics say, 'I never attack what is bad, all that will take care of itself, '... but the country is full of young poets and readers who are confused by seeing mediocre poetry praised, or never attacked, and who end up doubting their own critical perceptions.

    A clubby feeling also typifies most recent anthologies of contemporary poetry. Although these collections represent themselves as trustworthy guides to the best new poetry, they are not compiled for readers outside the academy. More than one editor has discovered that the best way to get an anthology assigned is to include work by the poets who teach the courses. Compiled in the spirit of congenial opportunism, many of these anthologies give the impression that literary quality is a concept that neither an editor nor a reader should take too seriously.

    ***

    Dan and Dana and I agree. In fact, one might think ole Dana has spent some time here at PH.

  • Michael Shepherd (9/21/2005 6:10:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    ... and is a 'celebrated critic' just a branch of the armchair entertainment industry...?

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/21/2005 7:30:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Michael, I was wondering (and still am) , would you point your finger to a poem such as Rilke or whatever you like, it must be in German and I will try my luck on a translation. I feel like practising ... more

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/21/2005 6:56:00 AM) Post reply

      Right on. A critic is like the bartender who, while not imbibing himself, judges his customers. H

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