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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/23/2005 4:50:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply
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    This discussion suggested to me to compare the teaching of writing with that of the visual arts. Britain used to be uniquely endowed with art schools - something like 80 compared with only a few in much larger European countries. So the syllabus was both well established and individually applied. The students would be taught all the basic skills in their first year or half-year and virtually nothing but; then made to copy worthwhile examples to apply these basic skills (out of fashion now though): introduced to the best of the 'old' and have it explained to them why those artists worked as they did in the context of their times; then as they developed, were allowed to find their own path. And on the side, they had a vigorous programme (in the better schools) of lectures from famous artists, writers on the contemporary scene, and authorities on all the current interests of the world of thought.
    In practice, their final work tended to be, as art became more generally 'fashionable', either a copy of their contemporary heroes - which tended to be disastrous in appearance, though it may have taught them something; copies of past styles -just very occasionally they brought new life to these styles and it was terrific; and those who produced original work, having absorbed all this input and found something which was of its time, relevant, new, fresh and interesting. In the 1960s particularly, this training produced instead, a number of rock and pop musicians!
    I guess that would make a good basis for a school or department of writing too? Does it happen?

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    • Rookie Poetry Hound (11/23/2005 8:35:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      My sense is that art schools still operate pretty much the same way - focusing on skills initially and then assigning students to copy various styles from the past and present. I still frequently see ... more

  • Rookie Linda Jenkinson (11/22/2005 5:28:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I ask because I'm interested...movers and shakers...I'm a plagiarist...the old question of favourite poet...mine changes every few decades...

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    • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/23/2005 5:50:00 AM) Post reply

      Emily Dickinson.................will always be my all time favorite.

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/22/2005 3:46:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    In answer to the questions of a few concerning the content of my poem 'Obesity':
    My definition of obesity (66 % of Americans are now classified as obese) :
    Obesity is the result of the body's desperate search for essential nutrients.
    Best wishes

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  • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/22/2005 1:20:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    anybody here seen my old friend John?
    can you tell me where he's gone?
    he freed a lotta people but it seems the good they die young
    i just looked around and he's gone

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    • Rookie Ben Cassel (11/22/2005 5:14:00 PM) Post reply

      It's 'Abraham, Martin and John', written by Dick Holler. Dion (!) had a hit with it in 1969, when the final verse was still fresh: 'Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby/Can you tell me where he's g ... more

    • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/22/2005 3:37:00 PM) Post reply

      oh, i can't claim credit to this. it's a lyric from a poem/song written by? ? ? ? and performed most famously by Dion DiMucci in 1968. and performed most infamously by Leonard Nimoy later that same ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/22/2005 3:27:00 PM) Post reply

      Knock out the 'but it' and it's a lyric begging for music and posterity

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/22/2005 3:22:00 PM) Post reply

      O no, who knows where he's gone?

  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/22/2005 12:22:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Look at this adorable poem by ten year old Hilda Conkling! It's called 'Dandelion'

    O LITTLE soldier with the golden helmet,
    What are you guarding on my lawn?
    You with your green gun
    And your yellow beard,
    Why do you stand so stiff?
    There is only the grass to fight!

    Her mother used to write everything that came out of her mouth down and then Amy Lowell found her a publisher and wrote an introduction to her first collection when she was only 10! Some people! ! ! ! !

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  • Rookie Billy Midget (11/22/2005 12:07:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies


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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (11/22/2005 9:53:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    we're preparing to go to LA for the holidays, if I don't post for awhile, it's not that the cat's got my tongue (which means what, by the way?)

    Last year, day after Thanksgiving, we went for a ride, to Laguna Beach, in Orange County. My mother, looking at the big homes perched atop high, ocean-view cliffs, said, 'What are those houses doing up there? They're going to fall down! ' Condescendingly, I patted Mother and said, 'There, there, this is California (she'd come in from Missouri) . The engineers & architects know what they're doing! '
    Sure enough, a few months later, big newspaper headlines: those very homes DID fall down.
    Always listen to your mother!

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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/22/2005 9:52:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    The Rhemasonador is doing some of Max's poems over at acidplanet.com They are well worth taking a listen too. That Gutenburg Bible one gave me chills! I am always flabberghasted to 'hear' something read aloud well. Especially maybe since I live in a silent world of being isolated from my language - maybe it strikes me more. I know that 'listening' to people 'talk' by reading them on the internet when I fist encountered that after living in a small German village for three years had an unusual effect on me, to say the least.

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  • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/22/2005 7:27:00 AM) Post reply

    whilst out searching for info on Lewis Carroll's 'Jabberwocky', i found this website which includes some rather clever parodies of Carroll's nonsensical masterpiece.

    http: //www76.pair.com/keithlim/jabberwocky/

  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/22/2005 5:16:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Remember when it was popular to have a poem printed out upon a decorative background and framed and hanging in your (maybe your grandmother's) home? I always used to see them at the flea markets in the 80s because that had gone out of fashion. A CLASSIC example was (Alfred) Joyce Kilmer's 'Trees.'

    'I think that I shall never see
    A poem as lovely as a tree...'

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/22/2005 5:58:00 AM) Post reply

      ..and a Sherrian reference in the second stanza...don't these poet guys ever think of anything else? ... imagine reversing the simile...

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/22/2005 5:45:00 AM) Post reply

      Funny you would bring this up. I just received a message from a US university poetry department. They accept submissions only part of the year and I had sent in 10 as recommended by a poet on this sit ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/22/2005 5:26:00 AM) Post reply

      I'm just about to be accorded that old-fashioned honour! And hand-calligraphed too by an expert, I'm told. Swoony!

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