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  • Rookie Savannah Churchill (11/21/2005 10:49:00 AM) Post reply | Read 8 replies
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    For some reason everytime I try to access a poem, anybodies poem all I get is a blank screen, every other link works fine, anyone else had this problem and how did you fix it? ? ? ? ? Help

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/21/2005 9:22:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Max, in partial answer to your question about the Great American Poem (or I guess, The Poet With The True American Sound?) , a chance for me to plug again 'American's Favourite Poems', from the Pinsky Project. The tributes to individual poems which they have taken to their heart, from, often,1st,2nd,3rd generation immigrants, are deeply moving and just make you value the poems more.
    Sherrie, there's a fine Cavafy poem about immigrants and immigration, in his weary-wise voice. Frost gets the biggest representation, with six poems. Then Whitman. Granted the choice is by Pinsky and Dietz, but with an eye to the eloquence of the responses, there's no Angelou or Silverstein among the 200 poems, but there is Gwendolen Brooks' 'Bean Eaters' and Countee Cullen, and Langston Hughes' 'Mother to Son'. Rupert Brooke's 'Soldier' which Jerry quoted, gets in as an immigrant's sentiment. And there's James Wright's 'The Blessing' about the wild horses. I love this book to bits (a literal description in this case...) and it would turn anyone on to poetry, imho. It goes some way to answering the question of what moves Americans- though as they're 'lifetime' loves, it may seem old-fashioned to you guys, as it stops well short of the Beat generation.

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    • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/21/2005 3:35:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      J.C., 'O Captain My Captain' is dreck compared to what? 'Song Of Myself'? 'Pioneers! O Pioneers! '? please. most of Whitman's work is boring unaffecting rambles. any sound recommendations re ... more

    • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/21/2005 11:31:00 AM) Post reply

      'howl' is a magnificent piece, but i don't think it's regarded as highly as any of the others you mentioned. i'd like to throw 'O Captain! My Captain! ' in there as an iconic American work. and 'Fla ... more

    • Rookie Poetry Hound (11/21/2005 10:46:00 AM) Post reply

      I think Max is right that Robert Frost's 'The Road Not Taken' and 'Stopping by Woods On A Snowy Evening' are two of the most iconic American poems. I would add Poe's 'The Raven' and 'Casey at the Bat' ... more

  • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/21/2005 8:48:00 AM) Post reply | Read 10 replies

    hey ladies and gents, here's a question that came up in conversation over the weekend:

    it is largely accepted that Bob Dylan is a contemporary poet genius in the US. Leonard Cohen is Canada's favourite son, even Jamaica has Bob Marley. but who in the UK stacks up? i mean, from a poet/troubadour perspective; that one lone voice of reason and brilliance. also, anyone in Australia? anywhere?

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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (11/21/2005 7:30:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    I see, looking at my stats, that the curse of a poem is to have its title start with a letter in the 2nd half of the alphabet.
    hmmmm...could I unconsiously be writing better poems, when I know their titles will begin with A through F or so? I can see a critical review: 'Though Reif writes well from A to F, I felt his T through Z poems were weak. He should retitle them.'
    Junk food for thought.

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    • Rookie - 7 Points ***** ***** (11/21/2005 5:17:00 PM) Post reply

      Yes, I noticed that begin to happen for me also... a bitter poet's vitriol gets lazy after about 'f'.

    • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (11/21/2005 8:50:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I think Jake's idea makes sense. If you number a poem with '1.', say, then the title, like,1. The Sphinx, for example, then you can get exposure for the ones you want. You can also rotate them...

    • Rookie - 7 Points John Kay (11/21/2005 8:46:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      You're lucky if they go through page one. My first poem beginning with 'A' gets all the hits first, and it's not the poem I'd offer to a first time reader of my work. I don't know any way around it th ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (11/21/2005 8:39:00 AM) Post reply

      good call, Max. i've noticed that, too. ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (11/21/2005 7:15:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Whether there's a 'quintessential' American poem, like you English are saying about the Brooke one? Something by Whitman, (who is certainly a quintessential American poet) ? We had Robert Frost, standing up there at Kennedy's inauguration, reading a sonnet. I don't know how many Americans knew his work, though many know 'The Road Not Taken' and 'Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening'. Literature has taken many simultaneous forks since then, and I don't feel any living American has that 'good, grey, National poet' image. America's poetry is one of disillusionment, I think...'a highway of diamonds with nobody on it'.

    I may be rambling on about nothing and deserve to have no replies and stand like a naked chicken out here amid the cold Forum winds.

    Still, I ain't done yet. I'll close with a parody of Frost back in high school, by a friend of mine whose 3rd period math teacher's name was Miles Edinburn. My friend would say around 10: 30 AM, 'I have promises to keep, and Miles to go before I eat...'

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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/21/2005 5:40:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    My brother, who is stationed over here in Germany (AGAIN! Yes, for a second TOUR of DOODIE) is taking his Panamanian-born wife to Paris for Thanksgiving.

    (lol, I didn't tell him Paris is burning. I think it'll make a great chapter.)

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  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/21/2005 4:41:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    WELL TEDDY IS OUT OF THE FREEZER BUT WHEN I STUCK HIM ON THE AUSTRALIAN BARBIE
    WITH MY AMERICAN SHRIMPS HE GOT ALL FIRED UP I WAS ONLY TRYING TO WARM HIM UP
    NOW HE IS HANGING OVER MY CORN PATCH ALBERT THE CROW DOESN'T LIKE TEDDY AT ALL
    NONE OF THE BIRDS LIKE HIM, IT COULD BE HIS COLOUR

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    • Rookie Ernestine Northover (11/21/2005 3:25:00 PM) Post reply

      OVER A CORN PATCH! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! , that's no place for any respectable Teddy, have you no respect for him, poor soul, what a life he must lead. I shan, t sleep tonight thinking of him. Boo Hoo. Specie ... more

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/21/2005 2:23:00 AM) Post reply | Read 7 replies

    DONT WORRY SHERIE I'V EXPLAINED IT FOR YOU IN A POEM YOU CAN READ AND LEARN ABOUT THANKSGIVING THERE FROM AN AUSTRALIAN

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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/21/2005 1:59:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    FIRE

    Probably I am an ordinary middle-class
    believer in individual rights, the word
    'freedom' is simple to me, it doesn't mean
    the freedom of any class in particular.
    Politically naive, with an average
    education (brief moments of clear vision
    are its main nourishment) , I remember
    the blazing appeal of that fire which parches
    the lips of the thirsty crowd and burns
    books and chars the skin of cities. I used to sing
    those songs and I know how great it is
    to run with others; later, by myself,
    with the taste of ashes in my mouth, I heard
    the lie's ironic voice and the choir screaming
    and when I touched my head I could feel
    the arched skull of my country, its hard edge.


    Translated by Renata Gorczynski

    -Adam Zagajewski

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    • Rookie Joseph Daly (11/21/2005 10:30:00 AM) Post reply

      Marcy, I can't say that I am familiar with the writer. What I can say is that we need more who can write like this with so much power. Thank you for posting it, I'll do a search to find out m ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (11/21/2005 6:54:00 AM) Post reply

      says a lot. (me speak brief)

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/20/2005 10:16:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    that gets rid of the eating and abusing of family now what was the original reason for being thankfull who started the idea in the first place was it being thankful for whipping a bit of english ass in the great war of independance orrrrrrrrrrr

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