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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (12/7/2005 8:19:00 PM) Post reply | Read 7 replies
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    HERE'S a game called 'Redundancy'.
    I collect sentences that are ridiculously redundant (not even sure if that's the right word) .
    Here are two examples:

    'French is the lingua franca of France.'
    'Every Ramadan, Mecca becomes a mecca for moslem pilgrims.'

    Can you think of any more?

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    • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (12/8/2005 7:47:00 AM) Post reply

      Thanks, guys. Michael, I love the name for this. I didn't know there was one, and it sounds like it IS an example. The secret is to make it a bit subtle. 'Mecca is a mecca for moslem pilgrims every Ra ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Michael Shepherd (12/8/2005 6:27:00 AM) Post reply

      Nostalgia isn't what it was. Indeed, who can remember clearly how powerful were the first promptings of this powerful retrospect?

    • Rookie - 7 Points Richard George (12/8/2005 5:32:00 AM) Post reply

      A refinement on this, perhaps: 'Most of our exports come from abroad' (George W.) Who else could combine tautology with fallacy?

    • Rookie - 7 Points Michael Shepherd (12/8/2005 5:19:00 AM) Post reply

      Max, the game is called 'Pleonastic Taut ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/8/2005 1:35:00 AM) Post reply

      The water on our little island is awfull ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Alice Vedral Rivera (12/7/2005 10:31:00 PM) Post reply

      We recollect the past and reminisce.

    • Rookie - 7 Points Ben Cassel (12/7/2005 9:00:00 PM) Post reply

      Hello! I'm Ben Cassel from the Departme ... more

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/7/2005 7:14:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    We have just had the telecast of Harold Pinter's Nobel speech, as shown to the Nobel award gathering (he being too ill to travel) . It will, I surmise, never quite be forgotten. It had the personal force of all of Bacon's paintings put together. It was about truth and the impossibility of truth, and a writer's responsibility as the responsibility of every human being. It was a searing indictment and listing of American foreign policy since 1945, assisted by Britain, in the name of democracy, with the most scathing words about Bush and Blair as war criminals. He quoted a poem by Neruda on the bombing of civilians during the Spanish Civil War, and his own poem 'Death' -sitting like some Beckett play, in a wheelchair, spitting out his words. Plus a description of how his plays shape themselves. It finished by saying that he would volunteer as a Bush speechwriter, and gave us his version...if words have any power, he sure pushed them to the very limit. And his pauses were as you might expect from a playwright... wow.

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    • Rookie Joseph Daly (12/8/2005 6:57:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Pinter was an outstanding playwright and screenplay writer. Unfortunately his narrow anti-Americanism, when he gets political, is a bit too much for me. Like all the so-called radicals in this count ... more

    • Rookie Richard George (12/8/2005 5:35:00 AM) Post reply

      He's dying, isn't he? It's been heralded as his last speech.

    • Rookie Jerry Hughes (12/7/2005 8:28:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Michael, mon ami, it did my fibrillating heart good to read your piece on the truly remarkable, Harold Pinter. I saw 'The Caretaker' done live, as against dead,25 years ago, and instantly became a Pin ... more

  • Rookie Michael Voorhis (12/7/2005 3:59:00 PM) Post reply

    Ive added some more poems and I am hoping to get some criticism. So send me a message of it to me if you decide to read some. Thank you

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/7/2005 3:52:00 PM) Post reply | Read 33 replies

    And yet another Christmas game, you un-co-operative lot, you don't deserve it...:
    One-line poems. No more than ten words - (so you don't write a compressed haiku telegram) . And a clear mental image or idea.
    I've forgotten the example I had in mind. These will have to do, because I haven't thought this through myself, but I'd like others to try, you're an ingenious lot:

    What does the mirror reveal to a peacock?

    The snow hides the Spring as fathers hide their love.

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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (12/7/2005 7:51:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    Anybody know anything about the singer/songwriter Tom Waits?

    (never heard of him, till I recently saw him in the (hilarious and interesting) movie, 'Coffee and Cigarettes', and heard him do a fascinating song called 'You're Innocent When You Dream', that accompanied the titles at the end of the movie, 'Smoke'. He seems like an interesting character.)

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    • Rookie - 7 Points Ben Cassel (12/7/2005 1:54:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I went to high school with Tom Waits and he is, indeed, an interesting character. His persona, which grew from the real person but is far less restrained than the real Tom, has grown as he has aged ( ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Joseph Daly (12/7/2005 8:39:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Tom here are the lyrics to innocent when you dream. You have to search using the first name. There are only three entries on PH and one of them is an instrumental Innocent when You Dream ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Poetry Hound (12/7/2005 8:39:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      Good lyrics, okay songwriting, mediocre musicianship, gravelly voice an acquired taste, adds up to a very narrow niche style that he never breaks out of (nor tries to, apparently) . His whole persona ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Lori Boulard (12/7/2005 8:28:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      damn. Now I'm stuck on that song. If l ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Joseph Daly (12/7/2005 8:28:00 AM) Post reply

      Max I sent you a message on Tom

    • Rookie - 7 Points Lori Boulard (12/7/2005 8:17:00 AM) Post reply

      Didn't he sing 'Life is a Highway' awhil ... more

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/7/2005 4:57:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    The Brits here feel that Simon Armitage is a fairly typical Brit poet as of now. Any American views? Adam suspects it may be read more as a 'translation' by non-Brits.
    And now we've got that far - Adam, could you offer half-a-dozen similar 'ought to read though you may not care for it' names?

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/7/2005 3:23:00 PM) Post reply

      Adam, I've read your 'bluff' posts and either you're a liar or a brilliant bluffer.. anyway, Adam, Richard, a follow-up to Simon Armitage to offer our American ForumBoyz? Say half-a-dozen? I honestly ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (12/7/2005 8:15:00 AM) Post reply

      Checking his page, I realized I'd just read 'I am bothered by...' a couple days ago, when someone posted it. I thought the narrative flowed well, and the dark humor, if that's what it was, had a stron ... more

  • Rookie £££ £££ (12/7/2005 4:27:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Thanks for those who gave comments on my poems, I'm a young writer and quite unsure. Denis, the poem about 'the idiot' was that the main character says he was once minutes from death and when asked how he felt he replies he wishes only he had minutes more that he could achieve so much. As it happens the character never dies and when asked if he followed through on his vision he says no, that he wastes time as before, that it's a sad and necessary factor in the human condition. Visions can't be sustained. Of course the 'character' of the prince is none other than Dostoyevsky himself who escaped a firing squad by mere minutes

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    • Rookie £££ £££ (12/7/2005 12:56:00 PM) Post reply

      No need to apologise. I was happy you showed an interest and gave me a chance to explain.

    • Rookie Joseph Daly (12/7/2005 8:32:00 AM) Post reply

      Sorry, you are right. The main thing about The Idiot is that the prince suffers from epilepsy as did Dostoyevsky. very little was known about the condition and it was seen asa mental disease. Have ... more

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/7/2005 3:36:00 AM) Post reply

    I think Lulu have a spy on P/H. Friendly ghost.
    When I re-checked a little while ago, things were filled in and it went through without a glitch. Three copies coming by Express International.
    Thanks again, Lori and who is volunteering for the next book? ? ?
    H

  • Rookie Michael Voorhis (12/6/2005 9:08:00 PM) Post reply

    I just wanted to get my name on here so people can comment on some of my poetry. Thank you

  • Rookie Lori Boulard (12/6/2005 8:41:00 PM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    Helps if I tell you where to get it!

    www.lulu.com - browse the title 'The Poemhunter Anthology'

    Happy hunting!

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    • Rookie Jerry Hughes (12/7/2005 10:16:00 PM) Post reply

      Lori, after some difficulty with the Lulu site, we ordered the anthology. Brilliant, praiseworthy effort on your part to see it through to production. Cheers, Jerry

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/6/2005 9:20:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      Just tried to order three copies but it wouldn't let me do Express International Shipping. Sent them a note. I am not willing to wait weeks. Anyone have the same problem? Best H And Lori you dese ... more

    • Rookie Mary Nagy (12/6/2005 8:51:00 PM) Post reply

      Glad to see I'm not the only eager one Max! I'll order first thing on payday! :) Can't wait! Thanks Lori! Sincerely, Mary

    • Rookie Max Reif (12/6/2005 8:49:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I just ordered a couple copies. Yes, it ... more

    • Rookie Mary Nagy (12/6/2005 8:47:00 PM) Post reply

      I looked and it looks great! How much w ... more

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