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  • Lamont Palmer (8/24/2005 2:17:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    I agree with Matt's 'mexican language' analogy. Frankly, if You post your poems here, you can expect either 4 things..to be praised, to be ripped to shreds, to be misunderstood, or to be overlooked altogether. This is a public forum and in some sense, the 'big leagues', in that a great many mags wouldnt publish a poem that is already on PH because they'd consider the PH poems already 'published'. So if you're a rank amateur, feel free to 'publish' your poems here, but be prepared for the possibly less than glowing comments of others. You're sharing a site with the likes of Dickinson, Whitman, Stevens, Pound and Eliot; and I've seen some tough comments on their work too. As long as the remarks are basically respectful, fairly informed and intelligent, and not catty or snotty or personal, and not just a blanket 'you're AWFUL', I'd say anything goes.

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/24/2005 7:10:00 PM) Post reply

      In the spirit of Carter the man from the desert I announce what y'all have been waiting for: A rhyming poem about current events. No similarities beyond the rhymes. Best wishes H

    • Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 4:02:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      .. and you forgot the fifth thing, Lamont - you might even get a polite, helpful suggestion or two, via the messaging service... something far more valuable than the other four, and not infrequent, ha ... more

    • Lamont Palmer (8/24/2005 2:44:00 PM) Post reply

      I think she means if the critiquer does not understand the sentiment of the poem its unfair to give it a low rating. For the record, the sentiment of the poem is secondary to me. I look for originalit ... more

    • Matthew Pearson (8/24/2005 2:32:00 PM) Post reply

      I would say that for the poet NOT to und ... more

  • Max Reif (8/24/2005 10:21:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I would like to bring up again the topic of etiquette in Comments. Not everyone is writing to be published in an anthology of British and American poetry. Some 'love poems' on this site are actual being written to a person the author is in love with. I don't feel it's appropriate to critique such pieces with a cold analytical scalpel.

    In addition, for many people here, English is a 2nd or 3rd language. A piece of writing in English is likely a great effort, of which they're very proud. You don't have to like it, as 'sophisticated' Western poetry, but what is to be gained, I ask-for anyone-by dumping on such efforts? Unless someone is really an aspiring 'literary' poets like some of us Forum folks, why not just appreciate what's there or discreetly, tactfully, leave what balm of silence is on the page intact, and go on to the next poem?

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    • Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 11:37:00 AM) Post reply

      And here's the moment to thank and praise Ronberge for correcting with a light grace, my lousy attempts (out of green envy for their chansons populaires) at French lyrics... Amicalement votre, mon ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 11:32:00 AM) Post reply

      Of course, you could go for constructive criticism in non-show-off language...

    • Matthew Pearson (8/24/2005 11:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      So, you are saying it is fair to judge people by different criteria? That smacks of unfairness and prejudice to me. It is a poetry site. If it were a dating service or an 'improve your English' site t ... more

    • Poetry Hound (8/24/2005 11:12:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It's hard to read people's minds as to t ... more


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  • Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 9:40:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    For those who love deconstruction as I do, especially in ad campaigns, Slate online mag. has a neat deconstruction job on the latest slew of US recruiting posters...almost worth a poem...

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  • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (8/24/2005 7:26:00 AM) Post reply

    AHOY AHOY!

    still going full swing with the Corpus Dickenson... i had Monday and Tuesday off work in an abrupt turn of events. but i'm back and were already halfway thru the list of contributors. it's all coming together nicely, i might add.

    nothing like poetry on company time!

    upward, onward.

  • Nagamuthu Osho (8/24/2005 1:03:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Hail! Poets! Savants!

    Reading, wrighting and inspiration leads to proud, profound and sound wisdom?

    sOME gets wisdom without reading?
    some gets knowledge after training some skills?

    But eternal wisdom pours, flows, glows like a lamp!

    The lamp of truth, enlightnes, relumes the Soul!

    God Bless you!

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    • Cheri Leigh (9/8/2005 9:46:00 AM) Post reply

      Nice use of 'wrighting' instead of writing. As poets we are, in the old english sense, word-wrights.

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/24/2005 6:14:00 PM) Post reply

      And I concur with Sherrie (again!) . This word sounds great to my foreign ears and I have suggested appropriate professional help for the 'troublescent' poet on this site. H

    • Richard George (8/24/2005 5:20:00 AM) Post reply

      Like the neologism 'relumes'.

  • Max Reif (8/23/2005 7:19:00 PM) Post reply

    I've started reading UNDERSTANDING POETRY, by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth Brooks. We used it as a text in high school, I think, though I was too busy in adolescent daydreams and showing off to absorb much.

    I recommend the book as a treasure to anyone who wants an entrance into the world of poetry via the 'reading' end of the tunnel or the writing end. Whether the book is a review or a brand new acquaintance, the combination of provocative critical writing and commentary on wonderful poems, makes for a rich adventure. In fact, I JUST POSTED A POEM ABOUT READING THE BOOK.

    My finding it and checking it out of the library was occasioned by a dim memory I had of it after my wife and I saw the powerful film 'All the King's Men' that was made of Robert Penn Warren's best-known literary work.

  • Poetry Hound (8/23/2005 11:50:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Nicholas Roehl has an interesting post on the 'Writing Poetry' forum regarding how to write better poetry. I'm interested in folks' thoughts.

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    • Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 1:56:00 PM) Post reply

      Thanks for that recommendation to Roehl and the other Writing Poetry forum, PoHo. It's positively civilised compared to this nest of vipers...

  • Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 11:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Now here's a cool question: the history of criticism, in poetry as in other arts, is strong in unattempted or unsuccesful (note the word..) poets who turned in some relevant criticism from a broader perspective (rather than personal animosity) .

    So should our two Wipe Your Feet Matts be condemned as critics just because their poetry is uh-huh? If they avoided generalisations, say, and kept to detailed poetics?

    Justa question, folks...

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    • Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 2:53:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I guess the word 'critic' is too limiting - but it's the one in common use. I tried to promote the word 'appreciator' in the press, but it didn't catch on -people enjoy the negative so much more...an ... more

  • Max Reif (8/22/2005 2:54:00 PM) Post reply

    Sherrie, are you looking for excitement here? Is that what the rest of you are looking for? I don't get off on interpersonal conflict. I mean, lively discussion's one thing. Are you looking for name-calling and insults? Is that what excites you guys?

  • Matthew Pearson (8/22/2005 9:33:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    Hello friends. I have been on a four-day break on the Mississippi with my partner. Very nice it was too. I now feel reinvigorated and ready to open the bottle of truth serum for y'all. The Mississippi. I may grace this site with a few mediocre poems about it. Be grateful. You'll m(d) iss me when I'm gone. I will turn into vapor at the turn of the new year. I am then commissioned to write a new book. I'll take advance orders and insults. Long live the Mississippi and all who sail in her.

    M. P.

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/23/2005 6:25:00 AM) Post reply

      Well I am so sorry that you did not like my Mississippi poem. I notice that you re-introduced yourself to the forum after your trip by calling us 'friends'. I would have thought that you could resis ... more

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/22/2005 10:20:00 PM) Post reply

      Well I took the liberty of re-creating the adventures of a couple Northerners on the Mississippi. Hope I got the story factual enough. Best wishes Herbert Huckleberry

    • Max Reif (8/22/2005 12:44:00 PM) Post reply

      Ahoy, mate, from a veteran who has sailed the length and breadth of the Mississippi, New Orleans to St. Paul! And a lovely journey it was, too! (I worked as a deck hand on towboats for a couple mont ... more

    • Courtney Kane (8/22/2005 11:18:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      certain excitement we probably can do wi ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (8/22/2005 10:49:00 AM) Post reply

      Happy New Year, Matt, and is there a dif ... more


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