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  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/11/2005 4:21:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Just a brief comment on our latest visitor:
    While I have a soft spot for renegades I must admit that you don't fit the category. I think you are a somewhat bitter old fogy whose sex drive has long ago disappeared, dried up and who now needs to surround his mind with images of lustfulness, seeing a vagina in wait for a humonguous penis on every street corner. You might reflect upon the rejection you have experienced elsewhere, it is not always bad to swim against the stream; you, however, seem to swim in the vaginal secretions of your dreams.
    I am surprised at your ad hominem smirks in your remarks, so it is that you call those who don't see things your way 'naive' and 'sexually withdrawn', you talk about libido and perception.Would you really know the meaning of those words?
    To me, from reading only what you have offered on this (surely brief) visit to this site, I must say that you have failed in your eagerness to impress me. Throwing in images of the Inkblot test, completely out of context and with no relevance to what I said reminds me of the one who uses images that would tend to convey to the reader that there is an actual intellect hidden there.
    I don't know what your problem is but don't hold your breath for me or anyone else to explain the punchline to you, we are sexually too inhibited, naive and impotent to play in the same league.
    Your interpretation of Frost's poem did not find any admirers (that is what you crave, is it not) for the simple reason that it is the reflection of the inner turmoil of an unhappy man who -as you had yourself touched on- may yet benefit from a session or two with a professional psychoanalyst. Just think about it, you could study up on the inkblot test, the Enneagram, the HOD test and use expressions like selectional restriction violation and conversion reaction.
    If you pay the man enough he may read your essay(s) and act impressed at least while you are there.
    Meanwhile, I have a feeling that you will have to soon wander off, there is something about you that is less than endearing. And I am not talking about the glaring error in your essay concerning the use of the English language.
    It has been interesting though, your visit. I hope it was for you, too.

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/11/2005 7:30:00 PM) Post reply

      Swimming upstream? You? Frankly my dear, I don't think you are swimming. H

    • J.T. Best (11/11/2005 6:54:00 PM) Post reply

      'Methinks he doth protest to much, thus adding credence to the lie.' Cheers, J.T. Best

    • J.T. Best (11/11/2005 6:13:00 PM) Post reply

      Drats, I have been asked to leave another free expression forum. Anybody out there think I am not swimming upstream.....and.....I'm still waiting for someone to send me a reference that details those ... more

  • Lori Boulard (11/11/2005 2:29:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    happy Friday indeed. I'm about bald from tearing my hair out trying to set up a webpage on, and for lack of technical savvy (ie my husband) I give up. Poems/bios/cover/intro are ALMOST DONE! I'm just waiting to finalize a couple pieces but they're definitely ready for perusal. If I get them into a PDF (rough draft, just to check data) , can we post them on someone's homepage(Max, Ronberge...) ?

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    • Max Reif (11/11/2005 6:02:00 PM) Post reply

      great, Ron. Lori, you're welcome to use my home pages too, I just don't know anything about putting pdf files on them.

    • Lori Boulard (11/11/2005 2:50:00 PM) Post reply

      thanks, Sally. Wait till you see it...I get so excited every time I flip through. Granted, it's not 'pretty' and needs more work, but it's almost real!

  • Michael Shepherd (11/11/2005 7:04:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies


    Embattled in that mud - and blood-red poppies;
    flooded trenches holding 'them' at bay;
    life or death a coin's flippant toss-up;
    deafening shellfire near by night and day -

    for us, these horrors now are others' lives,
    impossible to truly comprehend;
    yet in my own mind's state, I recognise
    these battles are still raging without end:

    the mud, the clung-to life, the enemy
    imagined - these, we strive still to invent.

    Their thoughts, at death's door, lost to memory:
    'I love you...' - gone, a family's content.

    We owe to them to live a life of love
    as if we were transfused from their own blood

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    • Michael Shepherd (11/11/2005 10:42:00 AM) Post reply

      I would say that this poem's weakness is its sincerity - like so many WW1 poems, there are things hurting to be said which obstruct the technical brilliance we find - amazingly - in Owen, Sassoon, and ... more

    • Lori Boulard (11/11/2005 7:55:00 AM) Post reply

      sorry if I'm behind on the discussion, but WHO WROTE THIS? ? I must know; it's brilliant! Btw, if it's Emily D. I'll never hear the end of it.

  • Mary Nagy (11/11/2005 6:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    Does anyone have an 'estimate' on how long until the 'anthology' is ready to purchase? Yes, I know it hasn't been 'in the works' long.... I'm just curious what is a realistic amount of time we're talking about. days? weeks? months? :) Thanks, Mary

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  • Michael Shepherd (11/11/2005 4:53:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    'After Apple Picking' is surely Frost's equivalent of Prospero's (Shakespeare's) farewell to his art in 'The Tempest', and reading the two poems/passages together enhances appreciation, imho, of both poets, and of poetry in general.
    Interesting how the explanations of poems are always longer than the poems!

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    • Michael Shepherd (11/11/2005 6:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Laura, I'm not a poetry or EngLit teacher any longer, but writing a commentary on your own poem...? ! just DON'T write the commentary first! ! otherwise the poem might have all the sound of a grand pi ... more

    • Max Reif (11/11/2005 5:48:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      PROSPERO'S FAREWELL TO HIS MAGIC from THE TEMPEST by William Shakespeare **** Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin a ... more

    • Laura Cummings (11/11/2005 5:32:00 AM) Post reply

      Indeed: -) I have to write a poem for my english school work and the word count for that is considerably less than the amount i have to write for the commentary i have to write for it.

  • Jerry Hughes Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 11:47:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Movers, Thinkers and Shakers. This isn't about 9-11, rather 11-11-11. Here is my humble contribution.

    'They will beat their swords into plowshares'
    Isaiah 2: 4

    There's been enough killing, God knows.
    Flowers of all nations plucked
    and placed in grievous rows.
    Bells have tolled of death too long.
    Now let them tell of peace.

    Resonate throughout the world
    a pealing sweet and clear,
    that all mankind may meet as one.
    In friendship, not in fear.

    There's been enough killing, God knows.
    Flowers of all nations plucked...
    and placed in grievous rows.

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  • Max Reif Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 8:22:00 PM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    What would be really nice for the Anthology, would be to have a little headshot of each poet on his/her bio page.

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    • Marcy Jarvis (11/11/2005 6:26:00 AM) Post reply

      I just found out that some people are VERY upset about this idea so I withdraw my suggestion.

    • Mary Nagy (11/10/2005 9:32:00 PM) Post reply

      I would just love for everyone here to have a headshot! I still don't know what most people here look like. (even you........only a shadow) :) Although I will say I'm happy to see so many have p ... more

    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/10/2005 9:06:00 PM) Post reply

      Max, I think it would drive up the cost considerably, plus add all the haircuts, beauty salon visits and mental anguish over how one will look. Best H

    • Allan James Saywell (11/10/2005 8:50:00 PM) Post reply

      what about a little bottum shot

    • Max Reif (11/10/2005 8:23:00 PM) Post reply

      Any way to do a feasibility study?

  • Jerry Hughes Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 5:34:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    Movers, Those Who Care, and Shakers. Every now and then a poem makes the hair at the back of my head stand up. This beautiful piece by Emily Dickinson, arguably the best lady poet ever, did it to me. Additionally, an adored person makes it even more poignant. Enjoy, already!

    It's all I have to bring today,
    This, and my heart beside,
    This, and my heart, and all the fields,
    And all the meadows wide.
    Be sure you count, should I forget, -
    Some one the sum could tell, -
    This, and my heart, and all the bees
    Which in the clover dwell.

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  • Daniel Tyler Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 3:12:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Does anybody like Preludes by TS Eliot. I think it's a vivid description of life for civilians in The Great War.
    'A lonely cab-horse steams and stamps
    And then the lighting of the lamps.'

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    • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 4:05:00 PM) Post reply

      I love the way he makes his poetry of successive images. It's not unlike Eisenstein's film 'montage'. I tried to write in this style, of successive images, quite recently, and learned so much.

    • Max Reif Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 3:29:00 PM) Post reply

      I'm very fond of that poem. I take it as a kind of model.

    • Ernestine Northover Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 3:16:00 PM) Post reply

      I have just read this poem Daniel and I loved it. I agree with you its a wonderful picture of those times. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Sincerely Ernestine

  • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (11/10/2005 1:47:00 PM) Post reply

    Here to brighten your day is a despatch from li'l ole England...
    Trafalgar Square, repository of Britain's bronzed heroes and statesmen, has long been the haunt of pigeons/tourists/pigeon-food sellers.Symbiotic relationship.
    It has had one empty plinth for years. Boldly, this is now filled with a monumental statue of Alison Lapper, born without arms, and having abandoned her prosthetics, pregnant, nude, and marble. The pigeons have deserted the bronzes and settled for her lap, depositing their critical aesthetic judgment on her instead. A touching story?

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