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  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (12/17/2005 7:01:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies
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    The New Yorker is starting to publish poems it bought from Elizabeth Bishop in the early '70s (Bishop died in 1979) . These poems have never seen the light of day. Here's one that's not in the poemhunter collection.

    Breakfast Song

    My love, my saving grace,
    your eyes are awfully blue.
    I kiss your funny face,
    your coffee-flavored mouth.
    Last night I slept with you.
    Today i love you so
    how can I bear to go
    (as soon I must, I know)
    to bed with ugly death
    in that cold, filthy place,
    to sleep there without you,
    without the easy breath
    and nightlong, limblong warmth
    I've grown accustomed to?
    -Nobody wants to die;
    tell me it is a lie!
    But no, I know it's true.
    It's just the common case;
    there's nothing one can do.
    My love, my saving grace,
    your eyes are awfully blue
    early and instant blue.

    Elizabeth Bishop (1973)

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (12/17/2005 10:44:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Okay, okay, not one of her best, you're right, Denis and Shep. I just thought I'd post one that even most Bishop fans haven't seen before. I'll look for a better one.

    • Rookie - 150 Points Michael Shepherd (12/17/2005 10:39:00 AM) Post reply

      what fun! Thanks for that. To think that this radiant soul tried to match the succinct wit of Dorothy Parker - kept her head above water for barely two lines - and then drowned without waving! Did the ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Joseph Daly (12/17/2005 7:22:00 AM) Post reply

      Not one of her best, Hound, but certainly worth posting, if only to show that even great writers can sometimes be reduced to the simplistic in order to express angst.

  • Rookie Gol Mcadam (12/17/2005 6:36:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Hello Folks. I've just posted 'Cassandra', after Sylvia Plath's 'Lady Lazarus'. Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks. Have a lovely Christmas!

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    • Rookie Poetry Hound (12/17/2005 7:31:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It's a big challenge and risk to write a poem under the influence of Lady Lazarus. But you do a remarkable job, Gol. Your poem is confessional and has an intensity bordering on lunacy. Excellent job.

  • Rookie Hasan Ali Tokuqin (12/17/2005 3:46:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Orhan Pamuk Case


    I don't like Orhan Pamuk.He doesen't know anything about Turkey as a westrener.He thinks that Europe is golden land for Turks and Turks don't fit into it.He is too polemical than as a author.Like Salman Rushdie, he looks for fame and prestije.American circles like him, because he went American Robert Academy in Istanbul.This academy produced political nightmares like Bulent Ecevit and Tansu Ciller.


    Novels of Orhan Pamuk merely frauds, masonic plots in oriental sense.Turkish storeotypes are ugly and unfair and backward.There is a racsist tinge in them.He depicts Islam as backward religion.

    He is too narcist.He considers himself as the best writer of Turkey.Too many readers find his novels obscure and inconsistent.His Turkish is awfull.I think he has writer and correction team for his books.All his books are available in english now.


    His last declarations on Armeninas are baseless and biased.This week Turkish press and media divided in two on his trial.Orhan Pamuk trusts to the westren lobby behind him.


    Orhan Pamuk is not first writer insulting Turkish identity.Aziz Nesin, after his books translated into english, had said '60% percent of Turks are dumb.'

    That is main theme of prolific writers in Turkey: insult Turkish identity, gain fame and prestije world wide.

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    • Rookie Poetry Hound (12/17/2005 10:41:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Hassan Aali Ttokuqin (12/17/2005 10: 32: 00 AM) writes: He made in a great argument by media and west.He is a little argument for public. Hassan, the above posting is incoherent. Maybe you shou ... more

    • Rookie Poetry Hound (12/17/2005 7:17:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I don't think Pamuk would agree with your characterization of him. If he's so Western oriented, then why is he so popular inside Turkey? Here's a guy who is outspoken on human rights and who turned do ... more

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/17/2005 1:54:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Try as I might I could not remember the poem idea that had formed at the beginning of today's adventure.
    My sons dared me to resurrect my spirit from the early sixties when I managed to get 92 jumps under my belt.
    Those were the old days, primitive equipment and you landed where the wind took you, more or less.
    So, the Adrenalin Jumpers wanted me to do a tandem, which I considered a grave insult but then I was a trifle tempted if I could choose my partner in crime.
    She weighed in at close to my total pre-Christmas weight and that was that. Too heavy.
    So, the decision was easier and I got my way.
    They did not want a high speed landing.
    Initial fear disappeared after first tumble and it was 4 1/2 minutes of pure bliss. I waved at all you peomhunters and wished you a merry Christmas from the clouds, so am repeating it here!
    The words that had formed for that perfect poem were lost though. Somewhere up there to be found perhaps next time.

    Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone.
    Best wishes
    H

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    • Rookie Richard George (12/17/2005 3:11:00 PM) Post reply

      Very merry Christmas and a happy and productive New Year to you too, Herbert. I suffer from vertigo (my first collection was called 'Vertigo Swimming' after Lake Baikal) and the very idea of leaping ... more

    • Rookie ***** ***** (12/17/2005 4:01:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Probably the adrenalin/endorphin high led you to a place of Nirvana.. hard to recreate that state dependency down here... ecstacy perhaps? .. but don´t quote me.

  • Veteran Poet - 1,195 Points Jerry Hughes (12/16/2005 10:21:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    I'D IMAGINE THE SITE OVERLOADING PROBLEMS WE HAD OF LATE WILL PROBABLY DOUBLE OVER THE WEEKEND. SO I'M GETTING IN EARLY TO WISH ALL OF YOU, INCLUDING MY DETRACTORS, THE COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON, AND EVERYTHING YOU'D WISH FOR YOURSELVES IN 2006. MAY YOUR GOD WALK WITH YOU, JERRY

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    • Veteran Poet - 1,195 Points Adryan Rotica (12/17/2005 2:18:00 PM) Post reply

      MAY YOUR GOD WALK WITH YOU, JERRY~

    • Veteran Poet - 1,195 Points Mary Nagy (12/17/2005 7:21:00 AM) Post reply

      Happy Holidays (In however you choose to celebrate) ! I hope you and your family have a great season and happy, healthy New Year Jerry. Sincerely, Mary

    • Veteran Poet - 1,195 Points Michael Shepherd (12/17/2005 6:10:00 AM) Post reply

      Speaking on behalf of the small band of your detractors who are simply damnably envious of your steady flow of heartfelt poems, which are happily highly appreciated on this site, as your place on the ... more

  • Rookie Declan McHenry (12/16/2005 7:37:00 PM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    Okay, I'm getting peeved now. I posted two pieces today and the first votes on both have been ones. How do I find out who this coward is?

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  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (12/16/2005 6:19:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    well time to feed my tits and do a bit of christmas shopping, Taxi oh no another
    Irish wheelbarrow

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    • Rookie Joseph Daly (12/16/2005 7:39:00 PM) Post reply

      Allan, I humbly wish to thank you for commenting on my Christmas poem. I feel honoured. I really do. Also thank you for providing me with this opportunity to plug it.

  • Rookie Michael Voorhis (12/16/2005 5:49:00 PM) Post reply

    Have any of you read 'Rain' by the new member Austin Fisher? Thats the only poem up of his right now, but in my opinion its worth checking out.

  • Rookie ***** ***** (12/16/2005 4:56:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    thought for today:

    As The Poems Go


    as the poems go into the thousands you
    realize that you've created very
    little.

    Charles Bukowski

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    • Rookie Lori Boulard (12/16/2005 9:54:00 PM) Post reply

      That's one of my favorites, from one of my favorites. He speaks the truth, even if you don't like hearing it! Thanks for reminding us, Sonja.

    • Rookie Allan James Saywell (12/16/2005 5:08:00 PM) Post reply

      Charles who, was he King of England or did he drink a lot

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (12/16/2005 3:03:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Has anybody come across a wheelbarrow with tits full of money it disappeared from outside my unit last night they were only small birds but there was a lot of money

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    • Rookie ***** ***** (12/16/2005 6:51:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      Allan, can´t you come up with some interesting or intelligent (intelligible) quips? When someone spits a retort back at me I hope for something more than 'well, she´s not as old as you, so there'. ... more

    • Rookie ***** ***** (12/16/2005 4:59:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It wouldn´t surprise me if your woman did leave you.. especially if she read that 'interesting' recent poem about her. I´d sleep with one eye open my friend.. the old gal may come back in the middle o ... more

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