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  • Rookie Solomon Brook (12/17/2005 7:19:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply
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    • Rookie Solomon Brook (12/18/2005 11:06:00 AM) Post reply

      Thank you to all of those who have kindly responded. Feel free to message me if anyone else would like to be a feedback provider within the context of my original message. Thanks again.

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/17/2005 6:02:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    All over the world there are people and states who claim the right to tell others what to do, claim the right to write their own poems, etc, while denying that same right to their critics. It's called Fascism, not 'freedom'. Is that what we want too?

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/18/2005 4:55:00 AM) Post reply

      How dare you suggest that my post is the 'hysterical ranting of a plastic radical' - if that's what you are suggesting, the grammar's not clear. As for patronising statements such as 'you should know ... more

    • Rookie Joseph Daly (12/17/2005 6:15:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Yes Michael, there are. One of them is Britain. By the by, it is not called fascism. Fascism is a paticular, non humanist theory. Its main aim is the destruction of all democracy. I would expec ... more

    • Rookie Declan McHenry (12/17/2005 6:07:00 PM) Post reply

      Not at all Michael. Every opinion has a value and should be respected. It is important though that everyone is sufficiently enpowered to present their view in a coherent manner that can contribute to ... more

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  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (12/17/2005 5:33:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply


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  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (12/17/2005 4:48:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    i came across this poem at the rubbish dump

    Interview With A poetry Critic
    Do you think poems should be long
    Grunt, bark bark bark bark
    Okay do you think poems should have rules
    Grunt, bark bark bark bark
    Well do you think poems should be written by people from India
    Grunt, bark bark bark bark

    Written by Bark bark bark

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/17/2005 5:35:00 PM) Post reply

      and what excellent self-criticism by the poet to throw it there. If all poets had such self-criticism, we might not need critics. But alas...

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (12/17/2005 4:27:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Nikhil, it is very tempting to satirize you even more. But I won’t do that here. I regret that you are upset by what I’ve said about you, but I don’t think you need to be. In fact, I wish you could laugh at yourself even a little bit. That would be a healthy sign. I’ll tell you what I think is funny, and I’m being serious here. It’s funny that you present yourself as a famous, world-renowned poet when you’re not. It’s funny that you use so many multi-syllabic words in your poems in awkward and inaccurate ways. It’s funny that you write to dignitaries and then brag that their administrative assistants’ generic acknowledgements are tantamount to heaps of praise from the leaders. It’s funny that you ignore or erase all criticism of your poetry whether constructive or satirical. It's funny that you self-publish all your books and act like that's some great accomplishment. In sum, it’s funny that you try to pass yourself off as something you are not, and it’s funny that you show not the slightest bit of humility. I know other people agree with me on this but, for various reasons, they are unwilling to say it publicly.

    Now, I promise I will never hurl insults at you or call you names. But I reserve the right to be critical and I reserve the right to be funny. You assert that I am mainly negative in my comments to people. Well, go look at my backlog of Comments on Poems and Poets and you will see that you are dead wrong about that. I am quite pleased to give praise where it is due, and people here know that when I praise something, it is really what I believe because they know I don’t hesitate to criticize as well.

    As for you Max, I don’t mind you criticizing me or asserting that I have been hounding Nikhil. But what I do mind is you playing the race card and saying that those who criticize Nikhil are somehow being racist. That is beneath you. You’re a pal, but I think you’re wrong on that one. Happy holidays, everyone, including you Nikhil.

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Max Reif (12/17/2005 6:26:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I don't know if the racism is conscious, PH, but I feel that Nikhil's Indian-English has something to do with it.

    • Rookie - 150 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/17/2005 5:19:00 PM) Post reply

      Perhaps 'racist' is a bit harsh but Max did say ' a bit'. Poetryhound your description of Nikhil fits exactly the typical Italian Dottore. Flamboyance, self-aggrandizement..... Shall we include the ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (12/17/2005 4:35:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Well.........I'll chime in here with my opinion (if I may) . I think Poetry Hound is definitely one of the 'tougher' critics here. I've told him that he intimidates the heck out of me. I've let him kn ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (12/17/2005 3:39:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    I do feel the obsession of you guys with Nikhil is clannish, creepy, and a bit racist.

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    • Rookie - 7 Points ***** ***** (12/17/2005 7:06:00 PM) Post reply

      Oh bullshit... racism is a last resort accusation when an argument has no place to go. I don´t care where the man comes from, his poetry leaves a lot to be desired and geography doesn´t come into it. ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Joseph Daly (12/17/2005 5:08:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Max, that is a bit below the belt. Are you suggesting that we should now take race into consideration when we assess other people's work or even the authors themselve? Wither objectivity?

    • Rookie - 7 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/17/2005 5:00:00 PM) Post reply

      Yes, Max I agree with you. It smacks of the purple horse on the prairie, where all the others are brown. H

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (12/17/2005 3:07:00 PM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I think a few unpleasant things need to be said.
    Poemhunter.com is a site where you place your poems in public, for public appreciation, suggestions, and judgment - and not from one 'authority', but from several or many. Put up and shut up.
    If you think comments here are unfair, then message the person privately and ten to one, some useful things will be said.
    Some who post here have no idea how ill-conceived or ill-constructed are their poems, and a little cold water carefully applied is what they need. Relying on one person to do the judging and then squawking 'unfair' gets you no further in your development.
    When this came up the first time a few weeks ago, there was a general response from serious poets here, that Poetry Hound's comments may be painful to the ego, but are considered fair and often lead to improvements in a poem, or at the very least, a more careful look at your own work. So weep, laugh, and get on with your life - and if you want to argue the case, message him.

    I personally strongly deprecate the new facility for removing comment from our home pages. That forwards no-one's progress. A negative comment left in place may always be judged in the context of others' comments.

    Nikhil, I have to say that you have been dealt with more lightly than some would like. You may be a well-received Indian poet in India, but on an international site such as this, your poetry in the eyes of some makes a travesty of the English language, overloading it to the point of meaninglessness. Your so-called 'universal' themes are constantly turned (with some exceptions) to yourself - the theme goes for little.
    I seriously think that you should return to your native language - it would do more useful service at home. And your egocentric publicity invites the making a laughing-stock of you. What's the Hindu word for modesty?

    You are in need of just the judgment and advice that this site offers. I don't for a moment doubt that your heart is in the right place, and that the themes you tackle are worthy ones. But you really need to consider the Oriental wisdom that 'less is more'. It can call out more serious thought and a vision of the outer world beyond your own views.

    So please don't complain that you are badly treated. It's not a nice thing to say, but it is the English language and all its subtle shades of meaning that is being badly treated. If you think that Poetry Hound is your one affliction, it is because several more of us hold back from making the same comments, knowing that you only wish to hear praise and never engage in useful discussion on this Forum about your own poetry or that of others.
    Have you removed the constructive comments from your comments box? There's been no lack of useful advice.

    All poets are thin-skinned in their lonely, difficult, and deeply, deeply valuable activity. All poets need feedback from their peers, not the secretariats of world leaders. All poets wish to enter a greater world, greater with every poem they write, if possible - this is why this splendid site exists.
    And if the Forum seems at times petty, or its participants silly and offensive - remember the famous statement, 'If you see a man talking to himself - join in! ' That's what I try to do.

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    • Rookie ***** ***** (12/17/2005 6:57:00 PM) Post reply

      I had written a comment with many of the sentiments here earlier but removed it for the same reasons you cite, not wanting to hurt or more significantly not wanting to engage in a lengthy backlash of ... more

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (12/17/2005 4:59:00 PM) Post reply

      Perhaps Nikhil could request not to have comments put on his poems? In dealing with people from India I note a very 'flowery' language, why would it be helpful for a non-Indian critic to pass harsh ... more

    • Rookie Allan James Saywell (12/17/2005 4:01:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      we dont need to have poets leave this site we need more poets to arrive so put the hose on the dog and get on with it we need poems from different cultures especially from India and we dont need to d ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (12/17/2005 3:37:00 PM) Post reply

      Well, I just don't think I'm with you he ... more

    • Rookie Richard George (12/17/2005 3:17:00 PM) Post reply

      I'm with you on this, Michael. Self-beli ... more

  • Rookie Hasan Ali Tokuqin (12/17/2005 2:52:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    This site has many old farts.They are not artfull, they are silly and jaded, mr carter.

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  • Rookie - 0 Points Cj Heck (12/17/2005 2:45:00 PM) Post reply

    To all of my friends here at PH, may I suggest an autographed copy of my book, 'Barking Spiders and Other Such Stuff' for any children on your list, ages 3 to...103. It's listed at Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.com for $9.95 plus shipping, but if you purchase through me ($9.95 per book) , I will send them out with free shipping on Monday, the 19th anywhere in the USA. There's still time before Christmas. Just send me a message and let me know.

    I wish I could do that for you folks elsewhere, but I'm afraid it would cost as much for me to ship it as the price on the book. Please accept my apologies. Hugs to all and Merry Christmas, CJ

  • Rookie Hasan Ali Tokuqin (12/17/2005 2:09:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Poetry Hound, I think you must quit comentting.

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