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  • Richard Thripp (7/25/2014 6:00:00 PM) Post reply

    Are people motivated by money?Could money effect a person's behavior?Would a person forsake morality for money?An organ donor card places a bounty on you. Some of your parts are only of value for transplantation while you breathe. The organ donor card gives doctors your permission (under contract law) to remove your organs from your warm and breathing and UN-anesthetized, doctor-declared “brain-dead” body. This isn't speculation. Doctors admit to “harvesting organs” from “brain-dead patients” i.e. patients with pulses.

    WEB/ Numerous accounts of patients who have recovered after a firm diagnosis of “brain death” demonstrate that “brain dead” patients are not certainly dead. Here are two cases:

    Zack Dunlap, a 21-year-old Oklahoman, flipped over on his 4-Wheeler and suffered catastrophic brain injuries in November 2007. Thirty-six hours after his accident, doctors at United Regional Healthcare System in Wichita Falls, Texas, declared him “brain dead.” Preparations to harvest his organs were underway when friends and relatives gathered to say their final goodbyes. His cousin, a nurse, wanting to make certain, scraped his pocket knife along the bottom of Zack’s foot. Zack jerked his foot away. Just months later, Zack was walking and talking. Zack recalled hearing the doctor say he was dead and being “mad inside” but unable to move.

    Steven Thorpe, a British 17-year-old, suffered horrific injuries in a multi-car accident. Four doctors declared him “brain dead.” Doctors asked his family to consider donating his organs before his life-support was turned off. The family sought a second opinion from a neurologist who detected faint brain waves. Seven weeks later, Steven was discharged from the hospital having made a near-full recovery. In 2013, at age 21, now an accountant trainee, he spoke to the media for the first time: “Hopefully (my experience) can help people see you should never give up. My father believed I was alive—and he was correct.”

  • Richard Thripp (7/25/2014 4:50:00 PM) Post reply

    (CNN) - The Arkansas medical examiner has ruled the death of a man shot while handcuffed in the back of a police car as a suicide, the state crime lab announced Monday.
    Chavis Carter,21, died July 29 while in the back of a Jonesboro, Arkansas, police car. The police report from that night shows officers detained Carter after learning there was a warrant for his arrest in Mississippi and searched him twice before leaving him handcuffed in the backseat of a patrol car.
    " At the time of discharge, the muzzle of the gun was placed against the right temporal scalp, " the crime lab's report states.
    Police said they discovered a.380-caliber Cobra semi-automatic pistol when they found Carter's body slumped over.
    Many people in Jonesboro were skeptical about the shooting, as was Carter's mother.
    " I think they killed him, " Theresa Carter told CNN on Wednesday. " I mean, my son wasn't suicidal."
    She also said her son was left-handed and had called his girlfriend to tell her he would contact her from jail.
    She wondered how police could find a bag of marijuana and not find a gun when they searched her son.
    There have been several protests in Jonesboro by citizens who don't believe the police explanation.
    Police have released a video in which an officer dramatizes how someone could shoot themselves while in the back of a police car. The officer was the same height and build as Carter, police said.
    They also have released the interview room video of a witness who said police were standing outside the car when a shot was fired.
    The autopsy also showed that Chavis Carter tested positive for marijuana, amphetamines (including meth) and benzodiazepines, classified by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as depressants.
    Jonesboro police said the investigation into Carter's death is ongoing.

  • Richard Thripp (7/25/2014 4:42:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Question to Poem Hunter ~ 25 July A.D.2014
    Why do you promote Maya Angelou who raised money for Margaret Sanger who referred to negroes as human weeds?

    Margaret Sanger wrote: 'We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.' – Margaret Sanger's December 19,1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble,255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon's 'Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America' New York: Grossman Publishers,1976.

    Maya Angelou also supported Winnie Mandela who stated: 'With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.' - Winnie Mandela, April 13,1986

    Why do you promote the woman Maya Angelou who promoted assassination & negro genocide?

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    • Professor Plum (7/25/2014 5:53:00 PM) Post reply

      I'm relieved you put the " A.D." in the date. Getting it EXACTLY right. Good for you, Sir!

  • Gulsher John (7/25/2014 11:39:00 AM) Post reply

    if i kill my PERSON
    with FALSE persona: a troll in disguise;
    what good it would bring?...
    nothing but an oblique smile
    that only mock myself.
    It's like a thunder of a galvanic storm,
    THAT brings only some empty clouds....
    and heap of dust.

  • Jefferson Carter (7/25/2014 11:31:00 AM) Post reply

    Here's " Metamorphosis, " the poem Tony Adah asked (below) Adam Snow to read and enjoy. " Away fritter, " " Bestowed with a bait, " " Deactivate from..., " " men's heart, " " truncate my metamorphosis, " man, oh, man, those are some truly goofy phrases, best explained by Tony's acquaintance with English as a second language? As I've asked non-native English speakers over and over, why, if English is your second language, do you insist on using it to compose incompetent verse? Write poetry in your first language, find a good EFL poet to help you translate, and then, maybe, just maybe, you'll have a competent poem. It's tough enough to write a good poem in one's first language. That is, if you think of poetry as an art form, not a species of masturbation.


    I am out of the cocoon,
    I will not away fritter this chance-
    Bestowed with a bait on my pen
    And my means to cartharsis
    I will be strong here
    Deactivate from a fledgling bard
    Thence a Muse of poetry
    I am a scion of the great Muses
    I am moving heavenward
    To touch the face of the great ones
    Here my voice
    Will calcify men's heart
    Over hills And valleys.
    And no growl
    From older lions will
    Ever truncate my metamorphosis
    On this platform
    I suppose a lion's den!

  • Jefferson Carter (7/25/2014 11:20:00 AM) Post reply

    Poemhumpers, management removed one of my observations about Thripp Dick. Amazing! Here's someone who spreads all over this site his paranoid toxins about Planned Parenthood, Maya Angelou, etc., and then gets upset about my reasoned responses! I suggest we all contact management the next time Thripp Dick stains these pages and ask them to remove his poison.

    Adam (Lamont?) , funny response! I love your satires of a callow youth pretending to care about poetry. Just for a moment, assuming you're NOT a persona, I'll ask you, where did I define POETRY?I defined verse, not poetry. You need to read better than you write.

    Again (I'm still pretending you're a real person) , your definition of poetry (and Tony Adah's definition too) sounds lewd, as if writing is a kind of masturbation for you, you know, relieving all that sexual/emotional pressure with your pencil instead of your hand. Adam (Lamont?) , yer so deliciously filthy! ! !

  • Professor Plum (7/25/2014 10:32:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Okay folks, here's my quarterly 'List of Best Poets and Versifiers on the Discussion Board'. Remember, I don't have time to read everything of everybody's stuff, so if you're not on here this time don't fret, you may be on next quarter.
    For some reason, this time I counted quantity as well as quality (I can do this, it's MY list) , and I did it because I like to see YOUR poetry on this page. Gets me going in the morning, and I mean this literally in some cases. Yep, a cup of coffee and a Richard Thripp post does it for me every time.
    For the movies, summer time is the 'Blockbuster Season' and there's no difference here in poetry land. Next quarter we get the serious 'Oscar' contenders, but this quarter we get explosions and massive climaxes (my apologies to Bluebird for this last statement, if she's still around) .

    The Summer Blockbuster Best List:
    5. Adam Snow- Let's face it, this guy has the rhythm of Gene Kelly, and if someone would get him a thesaurus for Christmas, he might move up to number one some day.
    4. Mike Acker- Considering quantity as well as quality, this guy's cream is rising to the top faster than Secretariat. Slowly (and I mean SLOWLY) getting better every day. Remember, he's only been writing poetry for two years (I think Keats was dead after two years of writing poetry) .
    3. Richard Thripp- Who incorporates mean, backstabbing, and violent politics into his writing better than Thripp?Nobody, but this is blockbuster season, remember?
    2. Jefferson Carter/Lamont Palmer- Tie. Period. Both are among my favorites at what they do. Jeff moves up on the strength of his recent poems 'An Apology to Wannabes', etc., and Palmer is just as solid as he always has been. Plus, I like to leave them 'tied' because it aggravates Carter.
    1. Madolyn Orwhatever- A fresh breath of countrified air. Cow pastures. Horse stalls. Funny and prolific. This chick has TONS of poems (quantity) and many are very good. The Blockbuster Season number one!

    Don't worry if you're not here, but post some more poems so I can wake up in the morning! Maybe in the fall you'll find yourself in Oscar contention.

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  • Sherrie Kolb Cassel (7/24/2014 9:39:00 PM) Post reply

    Famous Blue Raincoat

    Leonard Cohen

    It's four in the morning, the end of december
    I'm writing you now just to see if you're better
    New york is cold, but I like where I'm living
    There's music on clinton street all through the evening.

    I hear that you're building your little house deep in the desert
    You're living for nothing now, I hope you're keeping some kind of record.

    Yes, and jane came by with a lock of your hair
    She said that you gave it to her
    That night that you planned to go clear
    Did you ever go clear?

    Ah, the last time we saw you you looked so much older
    Your famous blue raincoat was torn at the shoulder
    You'd been to the station to meet every train
    And you came home without lili marlene

    And you treated my woman to a flake of your life
    And when she came back she was nobody's wife.

    Well I see you there with the rose in your teeth
    One more thin gypsy thief
    Well I see jane's awake -

    She sends her regards.
    And what can I tell you my brother, my killer
    What can I possibly say?
    I guess that I miss you, I guess I forgive you
    I'm glad you stood in my way.

    If you ever come by here, for jane or for me
    Your enemy is sleeping, and his woman is free.

    Yes, and thanks, for the trouble you took from her eyes
    I thought it was there for good so I never tried.

    And jane came by with a lock of your hair
    She said that you gave it to her
    That night that you planned to go clear

    - sincerely, l. cohen


    **************************************************
    For those who really read poetry, what are your thoughts on Gerald Stern?

  • Mandolyn ... (7/24/2014 9:18:00 PM) Post reply

    Why can't everyone just love everyone!
    We are all mixed nuts in a big fat can from Costco
    near the back of the shelf nobody has touched since 2002.
    Do we expire?
    HELL NO!

    Group hug. Now.
    Do it fools!

  • Adam M. Snow (7/24/2014 8:28:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    Carter, you say that you have no definition for poety. A true poet has their own definition of what poetry means. To me, poetry means an expression to free oneself emotionally and physically. It's where you can take your emotions and pour them out and bring peace to your physical being. You say you have no definition for poety, yet you gave a definition. Is that the definition from the dictionary you gave?If that's that case, have you not seen 'Dead Poet Society?' In it, they ripped the page that had the definition of poetry out of their textbook and threw that page away. Why?Because no textbook could tell you what poetry truly mean but you. If you can't find your definition for poety, then you are not a true poet. In order to be a poet, you first need to understand what poetry means to you. I know what poetry means to me, it's obvious you don't know what poetry means to yourself and therefore you are not a true poet.

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    • Tony Adah (7/24/2014 10:42:00 PM) Post reply

      Snow, I have had my own encounter with this megalomaniac called Carter. He thinks he should be the only cock to crow here. The sole provider of ground rules! I know how most times poetry unburdens my ... more

    • Tony Adah (7/24/2014 10:42:00 PM) Post reply

      Snow, I have had my own encounter with this megalomaniac called Carter. He thinks he should be the only cock to crow here. The sole provider of ground rules! I know how most times poetry unburdens my ... more

    • Tony Adah (7/24/2014 10:38:00 PM) Post reply

      Snow, I have had my own encounter with this megalomaniac called Carter. He thinks he should be the only cock to crow here. The sole provider of ground rules! I know how most times poetry unburdens my ... more

    • Frank Ovid (7/24/2014 9:27:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I wonder what would happen if Thripp and ... more

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