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Alexander Rizzo Male, 43, United States (2/15/2014 11:14:00 PM)

Interesting exchange. I would say that being labeled derivative has a greater negative connotation, as Mr. Carter is asserting, speaking more to 'copying' than merely influence. Yet how many imitators did William Carlos Williams, Eliot, Lowell, Plath, and Bukowski spawn?Some were very successful. Therefore being derivative isn't always a bad thing. There have been critical studies done on this very issue - how much should one be influenced by another. Eliot believed that one could be quite original while being closest to his models. I think there's truth to that. So you both have good points. Read Bloom's 'The Anxiety of Influence'.

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  • Rookie - 340 Points Jim Hogg (2/16/2014 10:54:00 AM) Post reply
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    Typos... there's always one .. " in the other... " sense" I mean to say... jeez me..

  • Freshman - 837 Points Lamont Palmer (2/16/2014 10:15:00 AM) Post reply

    Rizzo, always be skeptical of declarations from our resident, Prince of Prose. -LP

  • Rookie - 340 Points Jim Hogg (2/16/2014 8:30:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    There's a certain logic to your view Mr Rizzo. Being " labelled" derivative certainly appears to imply a negative loading, but because being derivative is very difficult to avoid then it probably isn't itself necessarily negative. It's partly in how it's used I suspect (subjectively) , and in the other (objectively if such is possible) depends on the extent to which a writer actually is derivative. Old wine in new bottles, and new wine in old bottles will always be derivative to some degree, though labelled as such only according to the intent or prejudice of the accuser. New wine in new bottles.. now, there's a non derivative state to aspire to..

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