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Jefferson Carter Jefferson Carter Male, 91, United States (11/7/2013 11:47:00 AM)

Peter, I suppose I can clarify by changing my original comment to " a widely agreed-upon definition of poetry is impossible; all we can do is attempt one. Saying what poetry isn't is a kind of crude, working definition." Poetry (verse, which is writing organized by lines and stanzas) is not the same thing as poetic, an adjective with fiercely positive connotations (musical, spiritual, visionary, blah, blah, blah....) In this sense, all poetry is poetry; all poetry is not poetic. And Doggo, what seems like splitting hairs to you is to me simply clearing away the prickly underbrush of confused terms so we can enjoy a useful discussion about poetics, not the typical murky blurtings our more ignorant PHers indulge in.

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  • Steven Ralph (11/7/2013 4:00:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    Let me see if I understand. All poetry is not poetic, and everything that is poetic is not necessarily a poem. Verse is poetry, but all poetry is not verse. I'm not adverse to this. All verse is also not poetic, but some is. Some verse is a poem, and some poems are verse, but not all poems are. Verse, that is. Conversely, some poems are not poetic, especially on this site which very nearly all of the poems are rubbish.
    What I meant was that I think Keats, Frost, Cummings, Creeley all wrote/write poetry, verse, poems, prose, and most of it is poetic (good writing) . I think there's room for all the different styles, and the world is a better place for it. We have Mozart and we have The Beatles. They're both terrific. Two completely different styles/forms of music, but they are both great. Same goes for poetry. That's all I'm saying when I say 'splitting hairs'.

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    • Sherrie Kolb Cassel (11/8/2013 7:55:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      In the final analysis, unless I'm a professor or a student who is majoring in literature with an emphasis on poetry, why would I care?I love to write, as do many of you. I love Jefferson; he is brilli ... more

    • Gulsher John (11/7/2013 7:27:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      concur Scott's statement... with Mozart n Beatles u have explained things very well

  • Peter Stavropoulos (11/7/2013 1:41:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    Hi Jefferson, that's a significant change from your original comment. With that change we've gone from Heaven down to Earth and possibly into the classroom. I liked the part in your original comment when you said " The connotations of the term " poetry" are more numerous than the stars above, all of them positive." That was good. So, if I understand you now, a definition of poetry is possible only a widely agreed-upon definition of poetry is impossible. And your definition of poetry is that it is verse. And if I held a completely different opinion of what poetry is I would be as entitled to it as you are to your definition. I would only be " wrong" with reference to you. Thanks.

    P.S. I am entering the busiest part of my working week so I may not be able to reply as readily as I would like.

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    • Jefferson Carter (11/7/2013 5:35:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Peter, it's not a matter of right or wrong; it's a matter of clarifying our terms so we can have a discussion, not wave at each other from the decks of two ships passing in the night. A single defini ... more

    • Steven Ralph (11/7/2013 5:06:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Peter, we want your reply by midnight. Period. Your 'work-week' is not our concern. We need to keep this train on schedule.

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