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  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (3/20/2005 9:03:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Is it a bit like raising Arizona?
    H

  • Mary Nagy (3/20/2005 6:03:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    I meant simply put that re-posting poems does seem to get the people reading their poetry.....that's a good thing. It is a shame for the reasons certain people have felt the need to repost (to erase certain comments.) I have to confess I have not read all the argumentative comments but believe me....it would be hard to find anyone familiar with this site that wasn't aware of what was going on. Yes, if there were very nasty comments on my poetry (uncalled for or offensively rude) I would probably do the same. Of course, wanting more people to read my poetry...my childish brain started thinking......hmmm...should I repost? No...I will not repost anything.... Luckily I havn't had any of my poems defaced as some feel they have. I was not implying anyone has done it purposely for the attention drawn to their poems. :) I was simplying saying...look on the bright side, more people reading your work...that IS a good thing. I know I have re read much of the re-posted work...and enjoyed it very much I must say! Sincerely, Mary

  • Poetry Hound (3/20/2005 4:36:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Such wisdom from Mary! It’s a bit astounding how so many folks are preoccupied with ratings and rankings, and how so much effort is put into reading the tea leaves as to what they mean or don’t mean. As most of us seem to have figured out by now, there is no guaranteed way of determining who is good or bad poet from any of the vehicles on poemhunter, since all of them – the scoring system, the Top 500 lists, and the number of hits – can be (and are) manipulated. And certainly the comments do not determine who is good or bad, especially the quid pro quo comments – you know, I’ll compliment your poem so then you compliment mine. I understand the desire for some sort of accurate validation method, but you won’t find it on poemhunter. The best advice I’ve heard is to just write poetry and not worry about all this stuff. And if you don’t want to receive criticism either from me or from anyone else, just say so.

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (3/20/2005 4:34:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Mary, my unsolicited answer to your question is that some who re-post all their poems do so for the same reason that you would had someone viciously defaecated upon your dress. You would probably wash it before putting it back on.
    If you meant to say what I think you implied then don't be shocked by my words.
    People like England were allowed back on the site and some of us would like to clean the filthy excrement off our poems to make room for a bit of clean air and sunshine.
    H

  • Mary Nagy (3/20/2005 3:59:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    One more question....isn't it a 'good-thing' to leave the site for a day or so and then re-post all your work? ? ? I'm just thinking.......is that how people get so many people reading their poems? Just a thought.......

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    • Janice M Pickett (3/20/2005 10:16:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Hi Mary. NO not at all. For example...When I removed all my poems it was because I felt That I would NEVER EVER post on such a site again. All my work appears in my Books. (Which Poetry Hound Cannot ... more

  • Mary Nagy (3/20/2005 3:56:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    I have to say that I read lots of poetry here. I try to comment on at least some of the poems I read. I'm no expert (obviously) but I do vote on the poems. I figured this being an amateur poetry site it was acceptable to vote just by how the poem strikes you...You like it or you don't. Normally I only vote if the poem hits a chord with me or moves me somehow. If we were professional poetry editors we surely wouldn't waste so much time here...would we? I love reading lots of different types of poetry. There are many I don't understand though, those I leave alone, I neither vote nor comment since I figure I just must not 'get it' or it must be above me...(or it could be really bad) but either way...I leave it alone. Sincerely, Mary

  • Michael Shepherd (3/20/2005 3:50:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    'CR..' said Pooh, 'what's a Stanzer? '
    'Well, Pooh, ' said CR, 'Back in a place called Italy where Italians live and write poems in Italian 'cos they can't write English, it just meant 'standing place' in the Sixteenth Century. You know the way Eeyore likes to stand in that special corner of the field when it's windy? So you might walk past one windy morning and say, perhaps in Italian if you were Italian which you aren't, 'Oh, I see Eeyore's in his usual stanza...' and I'd nod and say 'Yes Pooh, so he is. It's windy today' '
    'I see' said Pooh; wondering why Italians whoever they were, couldn't just say what they meant.
    'But then' said CR, 'Italian poets started to write poetry in little bunches of four lines, because four lines feel rather comfortable together, like four of us under one umbrella when it rains... like your poem about Rupert Brooke: and after four lines, you rather hope there's another four lines coming, and you get a sort of comfortable feeling, like when you're walking along a path with a fence, and after one fence post you take a few more steps, and inside yourself you might think 'there's another post coming' and so it does and you feel comfortable about fences, like fences themselves do. It's called Agreeable Repetition'

    'I see' said Pooh; not knowing, of course, that one day when he was Very Famous, his Hums would be translated into Italian and sound rather like honey talking...

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  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (3/20/2005 3:49:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Some of my laughs on this site are triggered by the realisation that many of us write poems primarily for ourselves, not for others, only to find ourselves at the receiving end of critiques by those others.
    There are some writers here whose writing doesn't get many hits because of their style of poetry, or rather their way of expressing themselves. I can think of one writer whose poetry I usually do not understand. Yet others seem to have no trouble and dish out high praise. Could it be that they have no more clue than I but figure it is from this special poet and the words sound good or sinister or pregnant with meaning, so it must be good.Brilliant. Fantastic.Wow.
    I wrote a poem some time ago that was put together as a joke, a bunch of expressions taken from hypnosis practice and the poem itself meant absolutely nothing.
    Yet it received very high praise by ALL.
    Must be a selectional restriction violation.
    Finally, critique coming from one who does not even write poetry reminds me of the spinster who tells the young mother how to raise her child.

  • Michael Shepherd (3/20/2005 3:20:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    One issue which alas gets elbowed out of this discussion is what perhaps the ratings system was intended to do wholly or partially- to register genuine popularity. Shel Silverstein didn't get to the top of the list by Emerson, Walt(Whitman) and TSEliot voting him there?

  • Stephen O Hanlon (3/20/2005 8:16:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Poets are the worst critics in the world! I myself don't feel qualified to criticize someone else's work. You either like something or you don't. People have this idea that poetry should be written a certain way and apply rules to how it should be written. Who makes the rules? And isn't it our job to stretch and bend them? Don't we all have the same goal in mind? To feed the imagination! To convey our innermost thoughts to paper! And we do this so that people will read and maybe find some comfort in what we are trying to say.

    I hate to see people argue about who is better or who has more manners or who insulted who, but I must admit a little amusement at some of the comments posted here. You've just gotta laugh folks! I don't even know what a Stanza is! Now thats funny! ! !

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