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  • Katie Pesskin (2/15/2005 11:37:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I have to analyse John Betjeman's 'Diary of a Church Mouse' and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about deeper meanings than just the mousein the church. You can find the poem on this website under John Betjeman's poems. I wouls really appreciate any ideas.

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    • Andrew Fincham (2/16/2005 10:25:00 AM) Post reply

      I sent you a mail - I don't really know how to use this site - and I think I should have posted instead of sending. Anyway, if you find it, hope it helps...

  • Daniel Cook (2/10/2005 4:50:00 PM) Post reply

    Does anyone know about reese roper and leanor ortega's poety book. they are former members of the band five iron frenzy. please let me know where i can find it or at least what it is called.

  • Simon Bennetts (2/9/2005 4:54:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I am trying to find the poem which has the words 'I-am-a-member-of-the-slow-rea-ders-group'

    Can someone point me in the right direction, either with the poem itself or the author etc.


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  • ZhaoNian (Michael) Chen (2/5/2005 10:51:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies


    I posted some of my poems on this website.
    This site is a haven for poetry, I would like to see it grow great.

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    • Poetry Hound (2/28/2005 11:11:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Aha, so you CAN write in a comprehensible manner. Why don't you make your poems so people can comprehend them? Trying to be mysterious or something?

    • Michael Lacostales (2/19/2005 12:26:00 AM) Post reply

      Yep! Go got that right. I am a news member of this website and I was just overwhelmed at the number of people who share my passion. I don't really meet just people in my country (Philippines) . Thi ... more

  • Alex Benkenstein (2/4/2005 3:03:00 PM) Post reply

    Greetings. I've just posted a number of my poems. Would really appreciate some honest criticism. Look under Benk, Alex.
    If there's anyone out there who's into Whitman, Elliot, Ginsberg, Jim Morrison and that crowd, and would like to chat about their own poetry, please contact me (alexbenkenstein@hotmail.com) .

  • Justin Byerline (2/4/2005 3:47:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    seems lioke there are alot of poets on here but not too much to talk about
    it would be cool to find someone with an admiration for jim morrison as i do
    if any of you are out there get a hold of me, also ive seen everyone has looked at my less desirable poems like my drunken babble ones. some of my favorites are edgar allen poe a hoe named joe. tour through insanity. and some of my shorter ones like the cat and fear and 6 strings. check em all out though id like to know what you guys think good or bad. though i did say on another forum that i didnt care i am still trying to share some thoughts with others whether it be good or some constructive critics. dropp me a line it will give me something to do tomorrow night.

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    • Alex Benkenstein (2/4/2005 2:35:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Just, I'm mad about Morrison - love his stuff 'Enter again the sweet forest Enter the hot dream Come with us Everything is broken up and dances' He's an inspiration. I'm going to read your s ... more

  • Justin Byerline (2/3/2005 9:00:00 PM) Post reply

    i am new member... i posted quite a few poems if anyone wants to check em out. some comical others sexy. and some just drunken. let me know what you think

  • Daniel Ramirez (2/2/2005 8:23:00 PM) Post reply

    Dear readers,
    As I have stated in the past, I consider myself a neophyte as to the poetry that I attempt to write, however, I think that I have improved over time. If so, it is because of the generosity of criticism that I have received from various sorts. I am placing on my blog today a piece written by Richard Cohen, an author and personal friend who has guided me through much of my efforts. I find it one of the most insightful and forthright views on creative writing, or perhaps any form of writing. I share this with you in the same spirit that I spoke of earlier; an opportunity for all who are interested in journaling or writing poetry a chance to grow. You will notice at the end of this short essay a copyright indication. Please respect the author’s wishes. Thank you and “Bon Appetit! ”

    Mystery vs. Mystification
    A young friend of mine has started to write poetry. He has a keen visual eye—-the poems contain bursts of bright imagery, ten or twelve words at a time—-and he seems to feel deeply about what he’s describing, but I can’t tell what he’s describing unless he says so in a note. “I like this imagery of silvery water and red lightning, but what does it actually refer to? ” “Oh, that’s about the time when I was a kid and my younger brother got hit by a car.” Aha, that clears it up. Knowing what it’s about not only brings the images into better focus, but makes the poem more moving.

    Many poets today seem to think that suppressing the narrative is a sophisticated move, making for an effect of mystery.

    In American Lit nowadays, if you can create an air of transcendence, of awareness of another realm, it brings in extra critical points. The problem is, many writers do it through mere technical sleight of hand, by withholding information from the reader. This creates a sense of puzzlement as we’re reading, and when the story is cleared up, we shrug contentedly enough and say, “Okay, so that’s what it was all about.” But the facts the author withheld could just as easily have been given to us at the beginning. If so, where would the story have gone? The author wouldn’t have known where to take it because he didn’t actually have what his evasiveness implied he had: a vision going beyond the literal.

    The word mystery has many meanings and I’m concerned with two of them here: 1) a profound truth beyond the reach of human reason; and 2) facts that are concealed from some people for a time.

    When a writer or poet makes me feel that I am on the brink of contact with an inexpressible truth, that is what I call mystery in literature. When a writer makes me feel that he is withholding basic narrative facts as a substitute for unveiling truths, I call that fake mystery, or mystification.

    Genuine mystery can only be achieved when the facts are laid bare. Only when the reader comprehends what is happening on the literal level can the possibility be raised for exploration of a higher level.

    This, by the way, is why the mystery novel genre can rarely reach the height of art, even though it’s a lot of fun and often better–written than the “literary” novel. In a mystery novel the whole point is to prolong the reader’s mystification until the end, at which time the literal facts are revealed but nothing else is left.

    Something that can also be done, on the technical level, is to leave out most of the detail but provide just enough grounding for the reader to feel the sensation—-perhaps illusory, perhaps not—of a wide landscape opening up, waiting to be explored. I can write a 500–word story telling you just enough for you to imagine the areas of the picture I have not filled in. I can make you feel that even though I have only given you a glimpse, it is a glimpse of complex people who have full lives somewhere else.

    On a higher level, though, a great writer can show all the facts in a blinding light and because of this, make you feel that you and the characters are stepping together onto a raised platform above the level of ordinary human living. In OEDIPUS AT COLONUS there are no literal facts left to be revealed. The whole mystery—-in the mystery novel sense—-was solved in OEDIPUS REX. In the sequel, there is just the immense, awe–inspiring mystery of how Oedipus in old age achieves blessedness and peace—and of how the ninety–year–old Sophocles knows how to write it.

    © 2005 Richard Lawrence Cohen
    http: //richardlawrencecohen.blogspot.com
    All rights reserved. All copies must include this notice.

  • Poetry Fan (2/1/2005 5:50:00 PM) Post reply

    I have read his work, if its the same Rudolph Keehn who Wrote 'Fragments of Darkness' Go to amazon and search for Fragments of Darkness to find more of his work and to lookup his information

  • Litta K (1/30/2005 2:05:00 PM) Post reply

    plz i really need the analysis of THe Magi By William Yeats

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