Poetics and Poetry Discussion
(3/16/2005 4:12:00 PM)
I like this little POW WOW...We Smoke'em Peace pipe together....good aye. This site is great. It's amazing how many people take the time to read our poetry and for us to have a place where ''our work is put alongside better poets''...that is a wonderous thing....don't you think?
I am fine with the current rating system...I think the meat and bones of what is going on here is not so much the numers but the insults that get thrown at other artists. This has ruined it for those who have left because of bombastic critiques and other rants...whenever good talent leaves, that is one less talented person for us to bounce with...and I believe that does us all injustice.
(3/16/2005 3:56:00 PM)
Another glitch - 'You are not authorised to post this message...' ggrrr
(3/16/2005 3:50:00 PM)
Then I suppose we must take practical steps... should someone be appointed to collect individual criticisms and compile them into a cohesive report? / should PH admin be encouraged to post an idea box (with perhaps and a/b/c choice range) on the homepage to solicit the feelings of as many members as possible - after all it should be democratic, no? Sorry - I've always strived for as big a sample as possible, I was a greedy research student! ! ! Sx
(3/16/2005 11:40:00 AM)
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I feel very flattered that people take the time to read my 'stuff' on this site. I appreciate the encouragement and feedback. I try to keep it simple...write it, throw it out there...and if you should like it that is great. And if you don't...that's okay too. My stuff isn't for everyone...I feel flattered that I am in the midst of some very great poets here. Thank you for letting me be a part of this...
(3/16/2005 10:56:00 AM)
Fantastic conversation going on here, like the rest of you I thank Ulli for starting it all. She is a multiculteral mediator by trade, you know, and this is her true gift!
Keep talking everyone, this is very encouraging.
Incredibly interesting to hear everyones thoughts. I am pleased to hear that for the most part we are in agreement that the ratings should not be taken to heart. We're very touchy, us poets.
I am also very fond of site... I am fascinated by its possibilites.
Best wishes to everyone... and keep writing.
(3/16/2005 9:58:00 AM)
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I have found that some people like criticism and others do not. For those that feel offended or insulted by my comments, in most cases I simply stop commenting on their poems altogether. Perhaps for those poets who do not wish to receive criticism, there should be a setting they can employ to block comments. Just like you now can block all incoming private communications, you should be able to block comments as well. A more cumbersome (and non-foolproof) approach would be to post a comment under each of your poems stating that you do not wish to receive criticism.
As for the rating system, it's hard for me to believe people get so bent out of shape about it. I can't believe even a casual observer would take the ratings seriously. Ninety percent of the ratings are tens or ones. I am suspect of both scores. Some of Emily Dickenson's poems have gotten low ratings while some very amateurish drek receives tens. Also, people seem to give scores based on whether the sentiments of a poem appeal to them, regardless of how imaginative or well-crafted the poem is. Plus you can give yourself a ten (or multiple tens if you know how) . Many people seem to engage in this bizarre self-promotion or at least one suspects they do when one sees all the tens they have. The whole numeric rating system is idiotic and should be abolished. Lacking that, I think folks should just have thicker skin and not get their panties in a wad over a low rating. If everyone still wants to maintain a rating system, then I think there is merit in the idea of somehow connecting the rating to the rater.
As for the Top 500 Poet and Top 500 Poem lists, those are extremely simplistic and manipulatable. As a little test recently, I was able to move a poet up approx.25 positions and a poem up approx.200 positions. Those lists should probably be moderated in some fashion.
Good discussion. I hope the moderators are tuning in.
(3/16/2005 9:56:00 AM)
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I was saddened to hear that Sandra was leaving because, although I haven't been here all that long, I know how much she would have been missed. So I'm delighted she's decided to stay.
It's very heartening to see this forum being used as a place for open, pleasant and meaningful discussion. Thank you to Ulrike for starting this and to Lenchen for pointing me here.
There are many valuable and intelligent contributions already, which bodes well for the future. I am very shy by nature and I suspect there are many like me who might struggle to find the confidence to post (presenting a poem is so very different) but they will be able to come here to read and to feel part of something special, without feeling pressure to speak up which can be terribly daunting for some...
(3/16/2005 9:45:00 AM)
Um...hi...is there anything I can do here to help? ? ? ? ? ?
Just me, Lare
(3/16/2005 6:50:00 AM)
Hi all, you could post a Likert Scale (very bad, bad, average, good, very good) but that may not improve things.. I suppose it narrows the distance from very bad (1) to very good (10) , just to soften the edge of a one.. I wouldn't have a problem if people need that in the end, but someone could still move you from very good to very bad more quickly couldn't they? If I have worked it out wrong, apologies! Maybe a 3 option would be good, but what wording do you choose there Outstanding/Good/Poor? People would have to agree (outstanding is different to excellent etc..) Seeing as we are people of words, I think it's fair to say that the initial selection or rating words is vital. The two choice option doesn't work for me because it has no relationship to a Bell Curve distribution.. am I getting too into this as I'm writing...? Anyway the rating system that's there was just fine, if people could rate what they really thought honestly. Alas.. Sxx
addendum: this is soooo much better for thrashing out ideas - thanks Ulli XX
(3/16/2005 6:35:00 AM)
Hello, all you fellow poets!
I am soooo glad that many of you took up my suggestion and posted your opinions here.
I think the tone between all of us is improving immensely; maybe it was about time we realized that we all are more or less in the same boat and all sensitive people when it comes to our writing...
Most certainly things that are said in the open in an objective and friendly way might be helpful to all of us.
I am sure we will come up with a good 'new' rating system!
Keep thinking about it and keep posting: it is a joy to see how everything develops here.
Thanks again to all of you (and I am really glad Sandra decided to stay! ! !) ,