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  • ***** ***** (4/16/2005 10:44:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I suppose, considering the times, that Shakespeare had the odd dalliance with a young boy or girl.. the times dictated the terms.

    It is difficult to separate the biography from the work once the artist's personality is exposed, unfortunately. Roman Polanski's work was (as far as I know) banned in the US because of his extra-curricular pursuits... hence preventing any critique of a good body of creative work.

    It is an interesting question - if work has merit and is written by someone with questionable morals... should the work be judged independently? I believe it should and in fact, banning anything because of the work itself or the artist's questionable CV seems to titillate an audience's interest - perhaps it is more beneficial to be a bad boy or girl and get the information out there.. then one's work is guaranteed to succeed ;)

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  • ***** ***** (4/16/2005 10:31:00 AM) Post reply

    I do believe that poets take word photographs of events and emotions for others to relate to later. If a person can read a poem and say: 'hey, yeah, I know what that feels like, I can relate to that', then a poem is worth every word.

    I also don't think obscurity does a poet or a reader any favours whatsoever. Conceptual poetry that only makes sense to the poet him/herself is of little value in the greater scheme, IMHO.

  • Linda Preston (4/16/2005 9:45:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I've found an interesting quote from Philip Larkin taken from an interview with the Paris Review. He was asked why did he write poetry? ' The short answer is you write because you have to. If you rationalize it, it seems as if you've seen this sight, felt this feeling, had this vision, and have got to find a combination of words that will preserve it by setting it off in other people. The duty is to the original experience. It doesn't feel like self-expression, though it may look like it. As for whom you write, well you write for everybody. Or anybody who will listen.'
    I can see where he coming from. Anyone else any thoughts?

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    • Poetry Hound (4/16/2005 1:18:00 PM) Post reply

      I like Larkin's poetry, but I don't know about this quote. When he says, 'It doesn't feel like self-expression, ' I feel like he's either fooling the interviewer or fooling himself. Of COURSE it's sel ... more

  • Linda Preston (4/16/2005 7:38:00 AM) Post reply

    allan, sorry to hear how you feel about the human race as a whole. Don't think it's a good idea to generalize though. Good luck with your writing.

  • Allan James Saywell (4/16/2005 7:19:00 AM) Post reply

    linda i do not know a lot about the man, all i know is that he is a artist
    if i had a choice between the two i would do the same thing, paint you dont
    have to talk to a painting it would suit me because i enjoy the solitude of my own company, the human race only disappoints me
    man is the weakest animal he is very flawed, he usually is full of himself
    though i do miss those people i grew to respect and laugh with
    but i will continue with my work, i have much to do, much to write

  • Linda Preston (4/16/2005 6:37:00 AM) Post reply

    Hello, Allan
    I noticed you were speaking about Les Murray the other day. I found a poem of his called 'The Cows On Killing Day' fascinating - I have never come across a poem written in that way before. Have you read it? What do you think?

  • Allan James Saywell (4/16/2005 6:24:00 AM) Post reply

    you enjoy sonja, enjoy what there more poets leaving, i suppose you think
    you will get a promotion

  • Allan James Saywell (4/16/2005 6:22:00 AM) Post reply

    interesting linda, i cant spell either or a typing error which often happens to me, dont worry i'm just bored there is nobody interesting to converse with, the cream has gone, i have to drink my tea black

  • ***** ***** (4/16/2005 6:21:00 AM) Post reply

    It is nice to share pleasant and intelligent discourse here. I have really enjoyed what all of you have shared over the past couple of days and have learned of some poets that I have not had the pleasure of reading before. This site has helped me to grow not only in writing but in my general knowledge of the creative form. Thank you all and I hope we can do this for a long time yet. Sx

  • Linda Preston (4/16/2005 6:11:00 AM) Post reply

    Happened again - interesting

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