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  • Michael Shepherd (5/14/2005 10:50:00 AM) Post reply

    ...and as a follow-up to yours, JC - form and content are so subtly related -when they're not disastrously divorced!
    Following a strict form for four years, the sonnet (remember it from fifty years ago hur hur?) , it produced unexpected content which may never have otherwise emerged; correspondingly, sometimes content demanded to stretch or break the form, i.e. say what needed to be said without restriction of rhyme, in the first quatrain, as blank verse...
    Ideally, content, in a poet who's learned from his own verse or that of others, will eventually dictate form? I don't know the history of outafashion e.e.cummings (how I used to hate that signature!) , but he must be an outstanding test case of this. I just began to read him last week or so, and to my surprise, felt freed by his example. I saw punctuation afresh...and I'd love to follow his refreshing of word-order in a sentence when it's valid to present the words in that order - but alas, I doubt if editors would be too keen. I hope I'm wrong. I did change the word order of the last stanza of one poem though, and was mightily pleased.

  • Michael Shepherd (5/14/2005 8:47:00 AM) Post reply

    Herby baby, how do you equate the first line of your message with the last line? And what the hell has your 'message' got to do with the business of this poetry site anyway? How about joining AJS and giving peace a chance?

  • Poetry Hound (5/14/2005 8:34:00 AM) Post reply

    I am always amused by the irony of unsubstanitated assertions being constantly put forward by someone in a profession like medicine which demands peer review and rigorous sustantiation of scientific findings. It comes as no surprise therefore, that such a person, unable to offer proof of any of his claims, let alone his supposed poetic prowess, is snubbed by others in his profession.

  • Allan James Saywell (5/14/2005 6:48:00 AM) Post reply

    hello boys and girls and others, peace brother i'm ready for another visit to the teepee the pipe is ready, i'm ready to bury the hatchet and become a peacfull man again, i forgive the english for there sins against me

  • mother baxter (5/13/2005 8:49:00 PM) Post reply

    haute why dont you chant somewhere else, with your airy little mantra

  • mother baxter (5/13/2005 8:47:00 PM) Post reply

    who is that other jerry, i thought i was the only jerry, it really gets up my english fur coat when another boy calls himself jerry

  • Allan James Saywell (5/13/2005 6:30:00 PM) Post reply

    study poetry what are you talking about, you have the gift or you dont, i wrote my first poem at 35 year old, i have never studied poetry

  • Allan James Saywell (5/13/2005 5:28:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Gerry the geriatric has been trying to contact me, he must be on my banned list which is a small list therefore he is not really jerry, but dont worry gerry has a black pajama belt his pajamas must be silk, jerry i told you you were a war monger now you have proven it, you violent little man, now dont annoy my friend herbert otherwise, i will give you a bloody good spanking

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    • Michael Shepherd (5/14/2005 3:52:00 AM) Post reply

      Allan, how can you be so thick as to think Jerry a war-monger - when he hates war so much (war that is going on all over the world all the time) that as a peace-monger, he writes about it so movingly ... more

  • Poetry Hound (5/13/2005 10:03:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I think this is a pretty good poem. It starts out as simply a descriptive poem, then the thing with the bear turns it into a fantasy. As a whole, once I get past the jarring image of a waltzing grizzly bear, it is light and dreamy and joyous.

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  • Allan James Saywell (5/13/2005 8:06:00 AM) Post reply

    i have a couple of swelling berries sonja, would you like to pick them

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