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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (8/23/2005 7:19:00 PM) Post reply
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    I've started reading UNDERSTANDING POETRY, by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth Brooks. We used it as a text in high school, I think, though I was too busy in adolescent daydreams and showing off to absorb much.

    I recommend the book as a treasure to anyone who wants an entrance into the world of poetry via the 'reading' end of the tunnel or the writing end. Whether the book is a review or a brand new acquaintance, the combination of provocative critical writing and commentary on wonderful poems, makes for a rich adventure. In fact, I JUST POSTED A POEM ABOUT READING THE BOOK.

    My finding it and checking it out of the library was occasioned by a dim memory I had of it after my wife and I saw the powerful film 'All the King's Men' that was made of Robert Penn Warren's best-known literary work.

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (8/23/2005 11:50:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Nicholas Roehl has an interesting post on the 'Writing Poetry' forum regarding how to write better poetry. I'm interested in folks' thoughts.

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 1:56:00 PM) Post reply

      Thanks for that recommendation to Roehl and the other Writing Poetry forum, PoHo. It's positively civilised compared to this nest of vipers...

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 11:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Now here's a cool question: the history of criticism, in poetry as in other arts, is strong in unattempted or unsuccesful (note the word..) poets who turned in some relevant criticism from a broader perspective (rather than personal animosity) .

    So should our two Wipe Your Feet Matts be condemned as critics just because their poetry is uh-huh? If they avoided generalisations, say, and kept to detailed poetics?

    Justa question, folks...

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 2:53:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I guess the word 'critic' is too limiting - but it's the one in common use. I tried to promote the word 'appreciator' in the press, but it didn't catch on -people enjoy the negative so much more...an ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (8/22/2005 2:54:00 PM) Post reply

    Sherrie, are you looking for excitement here? Is that what the rest of you are looking for? I don't get off on interpersonal conflict. I mean, lively discussion's one thing. Are you looking for name-calling and insults? Is that what excites you guys?

  • Rookie Matthew Pearson (8/22/2005 9:33:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    Hello friends. I have been on a four-day break on the Mississippi with my partner. Very nice it was too. I now feel reinvigorated and ready to open the bottle of truth serum for y'all. The Mississippi. I may grace this site with a few mediocre poems about it. Be grateful. You'll m(d) iss me when I'm gone. I will turn into vapor at the turn of the new year. I am then commissioned to write a new book. I'll take advance orders and insults. Long live the Mississippi and all who sail in her.

    M. P.

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    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/23/2005 6:25:00 AM) Post reply

      Well I am so sorry that you did not like my Mississippi poem. I notice that you re-introduced yourself to the forum after your trip by calling us 'friends'. I would have thought that you could resis ... more

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/22/2005 10:20:00 PM) Post reply

      Well I took the liberty of re-creating the adventures of a couple Northerners on the Mississippi. Hope I got the story factual enough. Best wishes Herbert Huckleberry

    • Rookie Max Reif (8/22/2005 12:44:00 PM) Post reply

      Ahoy, mate, from a veteran who has sailed the length and breadth of the Mississippi, New Orleans to St. Paul! And a lovely journey it was, too! (I worked as a deck hand on towboats for a couple mont ... more

    • Rookie Courtney Kane (8/22/2005 11:18:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      certain excitement we probably can do wi ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/22/2005 10:49:00 AM) Post reply

      Happy New Year, Matt, and is there a dif ... more


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  • Rookie Ryley Wooton (8/22/2005 3:08:00 AM) Post reply

    hello everyone im looking for the name of a poem. its about a girl who is riding in a car with some boys and the car gets into an accident. she wakes up in the hospital and she knows she's going to die so she tells the nurse to tell her parents that she's sorry. the girl dies. then the nurse say's she cant because the people in the other car were her parents. if you know the name of this poem or who it was written by please tell me. thanks.

  • Rookie Shiraz Ray (8/21/2005 11:09:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Hello,
    I am Shiraz from India and fairly new to the pristine art of poetry. I have started with Ezra Pound in recent times and would love to know something about his poem entitled 'Cino', which appeared to me as an autobiographical sketch. Did I get that right or was it meant to convey some entirely different thoughts? Would like some light thrown.

    Thanks,
    Shiraz

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/22/2005 5:04:00 AM) Post reply

      Perhaps Max will bear me out on this: 'Hugh Selwyn Mauberley' is regarded as Pound's most 'revealing'poem, if not his most indirectly 'autobiographical' - in that it sets out the poetic 'persona' he s ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/22/2005 4:12:00 AM) Post reply

      That's a very auspicious start, Shiraz! The general 'official' view about Pound has been that, OK, he influenced Eliot with his world view of poetry, but wasn't so good a poet.. too full a head, perha ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (8/21/2005 11:32:00 PM) Post reply

      Dear Shiraz, Hello and welcome! I did not know that poem. I looked it up and felt it not to be *basically* autobiographical, because I once studied Pound, a little. I remembered that he was fond of ... more

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/21/2005 10:47:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    Thanks a million to especially Sheila, Mahnaz, Mary, Michael and &&&&&&&&&
    it was the solution. It's working again. I had a friend come over with a program that deletes cookies. He put the program on while we both munched some Fig Newtons........and had a couple of VB Bitter beers.
    Also thanks to Allan, who is always there as well when the Help sign comes from this end.
    It's good to know that people take the time to smell the roses, eat cookies and delet them where necessary.
    H

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  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/21/2005 4:59:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    I do not want to hijack the forum but I am still on the excluded list.
    Cannot access any poems. Sheila Knowles suggested I get rid of all the cookies on my computer.
    How on earth do you do that? I thought cookies were something like oatmeal or Oreo or Fig Newtons////
    Help!
    H

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    • Rookie A.p. Sweet (8/21/2005 7:10:00 PM) Post reply

      oh ya by the way fig newtons or not cookies they are fruited cake.


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  • Rookie Ali Khorvash (8/21/2005 2:11:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Hello every body.
    I have published my FIRST poem on poem hunter.
    its my first experience in writing a poem.
    would you please read it and tell your idea?
    its named: You are mine.
    thanks...
    Ali Khorvash

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    • Rookie Max Reif (8/21/2005 4:51:00 PM) Post reply

      Welcome, Ali! I see there are already 5 or 6 comments under your poem, I bet even more are on the way...

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