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  • Rookie Lindsey Rogers (8/24/2005 5:05:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply
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    Hey y'all, I'm new and obviously Southern from that introduction. Haha. I just wanted to know if anyone has read 'Tipping the Velvet' by Sara Waters? It's an amazing book and I love Sara Waters so if anyone has read it I'll be amazed. Just reply back if you've read it, I guess. I hope I can become on of the regulars on here! I know how competitive these places are though, haha.

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/25/2005 6:46:00 AM) Post reply

      It was made into a TV film here, so we all saw it and even know what the 19th century phrase means... it got pretty good reviews, too, apart from the cor-look-at-them factor, as it was well acted. Yea ... more

  • Rookie - 774 Points Lamont Palmer (8/24/2005 2:17:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    I agree with Matt's 'mexican language' analogy. Frankly, if You post your poems here, you can expect either 4 things..to be praised, to be ripped to shreds, to be misunderstood, or to be overlooked altogether. This is a public forum and in some sense, the 'big leagues', in that a great many mags wouldnt publish a poem that is already on PH because they'd consider the PH poems already 'published'. So if you're a rank amateur, feel free to 'publish' your poems here, but be prepared for the possibly less than glowing comments of others. You're sharing a site with the likes of Dickinson, Whitman, Stevens, Pound and Eliot; and I've seen some tough comments on their work too. As long as the remarks are basically respectful, fairly informed and intelligent, and not catty or snotty or personal, and not just a blanket 'you're AWFUL', I'd say anything goes.

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    • Rookie - 774 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/24/2005 7:10:00 PM) Post reply

      In the spirit of Carter the man from the desert I announce what y'all have been waiting for: A rhyming poem about current events. No similarities beyond the rhymes. Best wishes H

    • Rookie - 774 Points Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 4:02:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      .. and you forgot the fifth thing, Lamont - you might even get a polite, helpful suggestion or two, via the messaging service... something far more valuable than the other four, and not infrequent, ha ... more

    • Rookie - 774 Points Lamont Palmer (8/24/2005 2:44:00 PM) Post reply

      I think she means if the critiquer does not understand the sentiment of the poem its unfair to give it a low rating. For the record, the sentiment of the poem is secondary to me. I look for originalit ... more

    • Rookie - 774 Points Matthew Pearson (8/24/2005 2:32:00 PM) Post reply

      I would say that for the poet NOT to und ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (8/24/2005 10:21:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I would like to bring up again the topic of etiquette in Comments. Not everyone is writing to be published in an anthology of British and American poetry. Some 'love poems' on this site are actual being written to a person the author is in love with. I don't feel it's appropriate to critique such pieces with a cold analytical scalpel.

    In addition, for many people here, English is a 2nd or 3rd language. A piece of writing in English is likely a great effort, of which they're very proud. You don't have to like it, as 'sophisticated' Western poetry, but what is to be gained, I ask-for anyone-by dumping on such efforts? Unless someone is really an aspiring 'literary' poets like some of us Forum folks, why not just appreciate what's there or discreetly, tactfully, leave what balm of silence is on the page intact, and go on to the next poem?

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    • Rookie - 7 Points Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 11:37:00 AM) Post reply

      And here's the moment to thank and praise Ronberge for correcting with a light grace, my lousy attempts (out of green envy for their chansons populaires) at French lyrics... Amicalement votre, mon ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 11:32:00 AM) Post reply

      Of course, you could go for constructive criticism in non-show-off language...

    • Rookie - 7 Points Matthew Pearson (8/24/2005 11:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      So, you are saying it is fair to judge people by different criteria? That smacks of unfairness and prejudice to me. It is a poetry site. If it were a dating service or an 'improve your English' site t ... more

    • Rookie - 7 Points Poetry Hound (8/24/2005 11:12:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It's hard to read people's minds as to t ... more


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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/24/2005 9:40:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    For those who love deconstruction as I do, especially in ad campaigns, Slate online mag. has a neat deconstruction job on the latest slew of US recruiting posters...almost worth a poem...

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  • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (8/24/2005 7:26:00 AM) Post reply

    AHOY AHOY!

    still going full swing with the Corpus Dickenson... i had Monday and Tuesday off work in an abrupt turn of events. but i'm back and were already halfway thru the list of contributors. it's all coming together nicely, i might add.

    nothing like poetry on company time!

    upward, onward.

  • Rookie Nagamuthu Osho (8/24/2005 1:03:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Hail! Poets! Savants!

    Reading, wrighting and inspiration leads to proud, profound and sound wisdom?

    sOME gets wisdom without reading?
    some gets knowledge after training some skills?

    But eternal wisdom pours, flows, glows like a lamp!

    The lamp of truth, enlightnes, relumes the Soul!

    God Bless you!

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    • Rookie Cheri Leigh (9/8/2005 9:46:00 AM) Post reply

      Nice use of 'wrighting' instead of writing. As poets we are, in the old english sense, word-wrights.

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/24/2005 6:14:00 PM) Post reply

      And I concur with Sherrie (again!) . This word sounds great to my foreign ears and I have suggested appropriate professional help for the 'troublescent' poet on this site. H

    • Rookie Richard George (8/24/2005 5:20:00 AM) Post reply

      Like the neologism 'relumes'.

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (8/23/2005 7:19:00 PM) Post reply

    I've started reading UNDERSTANDING POETRY, by Robert Penn Warren and Cleanth Brooks. We used it as a text in high school, I think, though I was too busy in adolescent daydreams and showing off to absorb much.

    I recommend the book as a treasure to anyone who wants an entrance into the world of poetry via the 'reading' end of the tunnel or the writing end. Whether the book is a review or a brand new acquaintance, the combination of provocative critical writing and commentary on wonderful poems, makes for a rich adventure. In fact, I JUST POSTED A POEM ABOUT READING THE BOOK.

    My finding it and checking it out of the library was occasioned by a dim memory I had of it after my wife and I saw the powerful film 'All the King's Men' that was made of Robert Penn Warren's best-known literary work.

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (8/23/2005 11:50:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Nicholas Roehl has an interesting post on the 'Writing Poetry' forum regarding how to write better poetry. I'm interested in folks' thoughts.

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 1:56:00 PM) Post reply

      Thanks for that recommendation to Roehl and the other Writing Poetry forum, PoHo. It's positively civilised compared to this nest of vipers...

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 11:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Now here's a cool question: the history of criticism, in poetry as in other arts, is strong in unattempted or unsuccesful (note the word..) poets who turned in some relevant criticism from a broader perspective (rather than personal animosity) .

    So should our two Wipe Your Feet Matts be condemned as critics just because their poetry is uh-huh? If they avoided generalisations, say, and kept to detailed poetics?

    Justa question, folks...

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (8/23/2005 2:53:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I guess the word 'critic' is too limiting - but it's the one in common use. I tried to promote the word 'appreciator' in the press, but it didn't catch on -people enjoy the negative so much more...an ... more

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (8/22/2005 2:54:00 PM) Post reply

    Sherrie, are you looking for excitement here? Is that what the rest of you are looking for? I don't get off on interpersonal conflict. I mean, lively discussion's one thing. Are you looking for name-calling and insults? Is that what excites you guys?

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