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  • Rookie - 796 Points Lamont Palmer (9/23/2005 2:53:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply
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    By the way JC, you're utterly wrong about me being Pearson. But thats ok, you're wrong about a lot of stuff. Anyway, I shouldnt have to prove I'm NOT Pearson, you must prove I AM. Till you can do that, case closed.

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    • Rookie - 796 Points Poetry Hound (9/23/2005 3:31:00 PM) Post reply

      Right on, Lamont! It's impossible to prove a negative. How could you be expected to come up with evidence of something that you're saying isn't true? The ball's in JC's court to prove you are Pearson. ... more

  • Rookie Mary Nagy (9/23/2005 1:14:00 PM) Post reply

    Hey Sherrie,
    I just had to say thanks to you for commenting on my 'Why Won't You Read My Poetry? ' poem. I would've sent a private message but you don't allow. I know you're always checking in here so I figured this way you are 'thanked'. I really appreciate your opinion. My family also finds it difficult sometimes to understand that darker poems don't always mean exactly what they say....venting through poetry saves alot of money on therapy bills! Why can't they get that? Take care, and thanks again. Sincerely, Mary

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (9/23/2005 8:26:00 AM) Post reply

    A public apology, if it's needed...

    A coupla weeks back, when I 'outed' Poetry Snob by guesswork, I carried on the joke by saying how much I'd enjoyed being 'Matthew Pearson'...haha... then that thread with its subsequent outraged correspondence which I didn't read if any, disappeared, either accidentally or removed by Collette or Emily, within hours. It's happened accidentally before. Max is the only one who's mentioned seeing it. But in case anyone was taken in... no, I was not 'Matthew Pearson'... I'd've slammed MS harder if I had been, to throw you off the scent! But the Mississippi certainly took offence...

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (9/23/2005 7:31:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Any responses on Amicai, whose 'A Precise Woman' amused me?

    And to show off my withitness to my pals - what do y'all make of 'Everybody Hates Chris'which I think premiers tonite?

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    • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (9/23/2005 8:07:00 AM) Post reply

      it looks like it should be a pretty good series. Chris Rock is one funny dude. but the show has been hyped so much, i don't think it will exceed expectations. boy, you are really with it, Microso ... more

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (9/23/2005 6:39:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Thanks Marcy and Sherrie for those Charles Simic postings. I wasn’t familiar with those particular poems. I like this use of the forum to introduce each other to poets we like, e.g., Rilke, Lisel Mueller. I thought I’d mention another one I admire - Wislawa Szymborska, winner of the 1996 Noble Prize for Literature. She only has 6 poems on poemhunter, so here’s a different one:

    The Letters of the Dead

    We read the letters of the dead like helpless gods,
    But gods, nonetheless, since we know the dates that follow.
    We know which debts will never be repaid.
    Which widows will remarry with the corpse still warm.
    Poor dead, blindfolded dead,
    gullible, fallible, pathetically prudent.
    We see the faces people make behind their backs.
    We catch the sound of wills being ripped to shreds.
    The dead sit before us comically, as if on buttered bread,
    or frantically pursue the hats blown from their heads.
    Their bad taste, Napoleon, steam, electricity,
    their fatal remedies for curable diseases,
    their foolish apocalypse according to St. John,
    their counterfeit heaven on earth according to Jean-
    We watch the pawns on their chessboards in silence,
    even though we see them three squares later.
    Everything the dead predicted has turned out completely
    Or a little bit different – which is to say, completely
    The most fervent of them gaze confidingly into our eyes:
    their calculations tell them that they’ll find perfection there.

    Wislawa Szymborska
    Translated from Polish by Stanislaw Baranczak and Clare Cavanagh.

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Michael Shepherd (9/23/2005 8:16:00 AM) Post reply

      Szymborska's a powerful poet - it's like reading something you know is the shadow of a greatness. I was especially impressed by 'Hunger Camp' and Under a Small Star' on this site.

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (9/22/2005 10:48:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    fellow poets i had the opportunity to read some of my work to a audience of
    aged people in a nursing home which i did for a friend of mine who is activities manager there, a section of the home caters for people with minor
    mental problems i talked and read some of my older poetry which concerned love early love, birds forest and nature and was amazed at there response in so
    much as even with there problems they still enjoyed poetry before i read each poem i would give them a little history about the poem i also was pleased about the respect they put upone myself as a poet they seemed to understand
    the importence of my poetry to myself and the relation between all people to the writing of poetry and the reading of poetry by the poet himself
    when i finished my two 45 minute readings i sat down and ate a meal with them
    talking and joking and discussing life i told them about the little child who was staring at me in a supermarket, the child was about ten year old i said
    the child did not know that i can read minds because i said to the child
    no i only look like a indian, they roared with laughter, and i knew that they were curious about why a man aged sixty would have such a haircut
    provig that a sense of humour becomes older with us

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    • Rookie Mary Nagy (9/23/2005 7:44:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      You look like an indian Allan? ? ? ? That's so far from the image I have of you I'm shocked. Hmmm......very interesting though. Mary

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/22/2005 10:53:00 PM) Post reply

      Very nice of you, Allan. Next time give me enough notice and I will join you. Maybe bring some of my hilarious ones and we could have a good time for all. Best wishes H

  • Veteran Poet - 1,100 Points Jerry Hughes (9/22/2005 5:44:00 PM) Post reply

    Totally agree with you, Mahnaz. Scrap the scoring system completey for two very good reasons. Firstly, to stop petulant puppies going apeshit because (they) expected a much higher score. Secondly, who are we kidding by expecting exceptional points every time we post?

    Human nature being what it is, a points system creates derision when it's given open slater. A better method would be to have an 'appointed panel' of our peers but changed periodically to ensure fairness. So movers and shakers, kick this suggestion about and see what comes from it?

  • Rookie Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (9/22/2005 10:49:00 AM) Post reply | Read 14 replies

    here's something to increase everybody's word power:

    BLOETRY: Poetry written for the sole purpose of a school assignment; shallow, meaningless, and two-dimensional poetry.

    i.e.: 'I can't believe i got an 'A' in Creative Writing for that manuscript of bloetry i turned in.'

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 7:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    I've discovered a delight in Dana Gioia's poetry: a sure heart, musical lines, pitch-perfect enjambment, and an elegaic spareness. IMHO.

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    • Rookie David Nelson Bradsher (9/22/2005 8:35:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I agree, Michael. Of course, I'm a little biased in that he's affiliated with The New Formalists (and Timothy Steele, my favorite) , but I'm always motivated after reading his expert blank verse and o ... more

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 7:32:00 AM) Post reply

      ...and best of all - reading him makes me want to write poetry...

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (9/22/2005 5:13:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Wo wird einst des Wandermueden
    letzte Ruhestaette sein?
    Unter Palmen in dem Sueden
    unter Linden an dem Rhein?

    Werd ich wo in einer Wueste
    eingescharrt von fremder Hand?
    Oder ruh ich an der Kueste
    eines Meeres in dem Sand?

    Immerhin, mich wird umgeben,
    Gotteshimmel, dort wie hier.
    Und als Totenlampen schweben
    nachts die Sterne ueber mir.

    Where will he lay down his head
    wand'rer, tired from his chores
    Southern palm trees make his bed
    Linden at the Rhine's great shores?

    What if strangers lay to rest
    me in desert's foreign land
    or perhaps I shall be blessed
    on the coast, deep down in sand?

    Never mind, I'll be protected
    by our Heaven's wondrous sights
    stars for death are well reflected,
    shine above me every night.

    The exact wording was slightly altered which would
    be unacceptable in a professional
    translation of anything
    but poetry.
    The ambience and the meaning remain the same.


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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (9/22/2005 5:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      What I'm hearing here is the mix of the Lutheran, Romantic, and Rational sounds of the 18th century which have percolated through translation into our English hymns! Interesting. A propos a discussion ... more

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