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  • Michael Shepherd (8/27/2005 6:56:00 AM) Post reply

    This is the gist of what I said in response to t.h.:

    t.h. (surely an admirer of k.d.?) - Do you need to? When did you not dare...?

    You have garnered more heartfelt praise from fellow poets on this site, in your short time with us, than any. Your range of reference and inmagery is quite exceptional; and though, as you know already, I'm too literal-minded to necklace together all your images, I know that (as rarely) it's worth the effort. I think, imho, that your potential is greater than any of the younger (!) poets on this site.

    I would suggest that now you expose your poems to the finest poetic (rather than critical - they might be jealous) judgment - wherever that may be; others may have their own advice. Perhaps best would be to submit your poems to a celebrated poet whom you admire.

    You will make (have made?) a great defence lawyer (better than prosecuting, for a poet...): but don't take on too many hardened felons - it ultimately affects your own speech. But you may surmount this.

    I can't believe you doubt your own talent. But if you would like some more specific critique, there are those here who would be better equipped for this than I.

    As dear Gert would say - best wishes are best wishes if they are wishes, and the best, and if not, why not?

    Michael, with apologies for a reheated dish of admiration...

  • t. h. ashbury (8/26/2005 7:44:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    do i dare, request, a critique? (what the hell)

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  • allan james saywell (8/26/2005 7:31:00 PM) Post reply

    good evening cartwheels and pieced custard pies part time critics and
    poetry teachers and fellow poets and poets who aspire to be a poet but
    are finding it impossible how are yahall all your
    yes i watch movies about the deep south i have been delivered just arrived back
    from a trip down the tweed river, with my pet dog snuff, no where not english
    what a great Country i live in just thought i'd tell you i have another poem
    on site now, i'll whisper so that young fellow doesn't hear you know who i mean
    the young man with a dirty custard critical mouth, anyway enjoy

  • Rev. Dr. A. Jacob Hassler (8/26/2005 9:44:00 AM) Post reply

    it seems like it has been an eternity since we initially discussed this, but the Corpse is actually moving right along. we are nearly to the end of the list, and, barring any time difference conflicts and such, the Corpse might be ready to be unveiled on Monday.

    each contribution has been strong. i have to say i am quite pleased and impressed by the submissions so far! if you haven't been contacted yet, keep faith. i haven't forgotten ya!

  • Allan James Saywell (8/25/2005 8:21:00 PM) Post reply

    send the custard forget the poem

  • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/25/2005 4:31:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    In Australia and New Zealand father's day is celebrated on the first Sunday of September.
    I thought you all wanted to know this.
    Best wishes
    H

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  • Poetry Hound (8/24/2005 7:55:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    Here are some terrific lines and images (in my opinion) from the recent past. There is some true talent on this site:

    eight thousand men prepare to meet thy maker and everyone else (You and I)
    cross lines we should never have to cross, in time to music, with a spring in our step.
    -From A Kind Of Kristallnacht by David Harkins

    Does the daughter
    Sense her grandmother’s
    Hands grasping
    Forever in her thumbs
    -From 8.36 Holding onto Forever 2 by Charlotte Ballard

    The drone of locust and cicada,
    asleep for one hundred years,
    waking now in stringent song,
    -From This Is The Summer by Stephen Parnell

    you remind me of the lullaby which rocks
    the silence into dreams of voices, noisy
    with singing the same song, until they eclipse or rewrite
    the lyrics in the chorus of years
    that is the funeral procession from birth to rebirth.
    -From Swing-Sets by Amberlee Carter

    Buying only outlines of dreams you once devised
    That I could squeeze into
    As awkwardly as the virgin foot into high heels
    As redundant as thanksgiving cards to neighbors.
    -From Eating In by Matthew Pearson

    The purpose of arts is to seduce women and when women produce a piece of Art, they are longing for a kiss
    -From School Of Arts (Soothing Madness) by albert vynckier

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    • Lamont Palmer Rookie - 1st Stage (8/25/2005 11:39:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Thank you, Mike. But why do you hate to admit that? I dont hate to admit if I like your work. Are going soft in the head and biased too, or am I misreading your comment?

    • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (8/25/2005 11:06:00 AM) Post reply

      Charlotte Ballard's recalls Lamont's own (I hate to admit this) beautiful, fine poem on Mothers and Daughters...


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  • Lindsey Rogers (8/24/2005 5:05:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Hey y'all, I'm new and obviously Southern from that introduction. Haha. I just wanted to know if anyone has read 'Tipping the Velvet' by Sara Waters? It's an amazing book and I love Sara Waters so if anyone has read it I'll be amazed. Just reply back if you've read it, I guess. I hope I can become on of the regulars on here! I know how competitive these places are though, haha.

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    • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (8/25/2005 6:46:00 AM) Post reply

      It was made into a TV film here, so we all saw it and even know what the 19th century phrase means... it got pretty good reviews, too, apart from the cor-look-at-them factor, as it was well acted. Yea ... more

  • Lamont Palmer Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 2:17:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    I agree with Matt's 'mexican language' analogy. Frankly, if You post your poems here, you can expect either 4 things..to be praised, to be ripped to shreds, to be misunderstood, or to be overlooked altogether. This is a public forum and in some sense, the 'big leagues', in that a great many mags wouldnt publish a poem that is already on PH because they'd consider the PH poems already 'published'. So if you're a rank amateur, feel free to 'publish' your poems here, but be prepared for the possibly less than glowing comments of others. You're sharing a site with the likes of Dickinson, Whitman, Stevens, Pound and Eliot; and I've seen some tough comments on their work too. As long as the remarks are basically respectful, fairly informed and intelligent, and not catty or snotty or personal, and not just a blanket 'you're AWFUL', I'd say anything goes.

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 7:10:00 PM) Post reply

      In the spirit of Carter the man from the desert I announce what y'all have been waiting for: A rhyming poem about current events. No similarities beyond the rhymes. Best wishes H

    • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 4:02:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      .. and you forgot the fifth thing, Lamont - you might even get a polite, helpful suggestion or two, via the messaging service... something far more valuable than the other four, and not infrequent, ha ... more

    • Lamont Palmer Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 2:44:00 PM) Post reply

      I think she means if the critiquer does not understand the sentiment of the poem its unfair to give it a low rating. For the record, the sentiment of the poem is secondary to me. I look for originalit ... more

    • Matthew Pearson Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 2:32:00 PM) Post reply

      I would say that for the poet NOT to und ... more

  • Max Reif Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 10:21:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I would like to bring up again the topic of etiquette in Comments. Not everyone is writing to be published in an anthology of British and American poetry. Some 'love poems' on this site are actual being written to a person the author is in love with. I don't feel it's appropriate to critique such pieces with a cold analytical scalpel.

    In addition, for many people here, English is a 2nd or 3rd language. A piece of writing in English is likely a great effort, of which they're very proud. You don't have to like it, as 'sophisticated' Western poetry, but what is to be gained, I ask-for anyone-by dumping on such efforts? Unless someone is really an aspiring 'literary' poets like some of us Forum folks, why not just appreciate what's there or discreetly, tactfully, leave what balm of silence is on the page intact, and go on to the next poem?

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    • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 11:37:00 AM) Post reply

      And here's the moment to thank and praise Ronberge for correcting with a light grace, my lousy attempts (out of green envy for their chansons populaires) at French lyrics... Amicalement votre, mon ... more

    • Michael Shepherd Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 11:32:00 AM) Post reply

      Of course, you could go for constructive criticism in non-show-off language...

    • Matthew Pearson Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 11:24:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      So, you are saying it is fair to judge people by different criteria? That smacks of unfairness and prejudice to me. It is a poetry site. If it were a dating service or an 'improve your English' site t ... more

    • Poetry Hound Rookie - 1st Stage (8/24/2005 11:12:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      It's hard to read people's minds as to t ... more


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