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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/30/2005 9:40:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies
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    The Poem 'Notice What This Poem is Not Doing' by William Stafford, is not using the 'I' but I do not think that anyone would accuse him of not 'owning' this poem. Why is that?

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 11:41:00 AM) Post reply

      Willliam Stafford - what a magnificent life, what poetry! I knew nothing of him. Could someone post his 'greatest poem of the century' for us? I guess 'Notice...' comes out of his writing exercise a ... more

    • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/30/2005 9:58:00 AM) Post reply

      Let's assume that people will give this some thought and answer...

    • Rookie Max Reif (10/30/2005 9:55:00 AM) Post reply

      I'm not able to answer your question, but (assuming no one else answers) I would appreciate hearing your thoughts.

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (10/30/2005 9:38:00 AM) Post reply

    I'm finding a lot of juicy stuff on the Forum in out-of-the-way places: replies to replies to replies.
    Reminds me of eating a chicken, sucking out the marrow and the little, chewy things stuck in the interstices of bones...

  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/30/2005 8:55:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    They surely don't say purse.

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  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (10/30/2005 8:14:00 AM) Post reply | Read 8 replies

    Do yall have any feelings of thoughts on whether it's possible to write too many '1st-person' ('I did this', 'I felt that') poems?

    I usually write 'from my own experience'. I was rather charmed to write to Mr. Stephen Parnell once, expressing sympathy for the plight of his character in a narrative poem, assuming his character (the poem was in 1st person) was himself-He wrote back that he'd made it all up, or written a poem based on a newspaper article or something.

    Was wondering whether I should make efforts to 'get out of myself' more, be more objective.

    In fact, just posted a piece on the subject, called 'Trying To Keep Myself Out of My Poems'...

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  • Rookie Mary Nagy (10/30/2005 6:56:00 AM) Post reply

    I wish you allowed messages! I think you'll see this here...I really was touched my your message. Thank you so much. It's always great to hear when something you write touches somebody and what you wrote about your son....I was moved. Thank you. It means alot to think something I've written reached somebody. Sincerely, Mary

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (10/30/2005 6:00:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    is that why english soccer teams are so violent they drink tap water
    that has been treated with FLURIDE

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    • Rookie Ernestine Northover (10/30/2005 6:30:00 AM) Post reply

      It seems Allan, that this flouride is beginning to seep into the annals of the Forum, so with this thought, should we start worrying! ! ! ! ! ! Sincerely Ernestine

  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 5:54:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    I think All Saints' Day has got to me this morning...going back a few posts...Max, Jefferson, Adam...I drafted the article on Poemhunter simply out of gratitude. So if any of you have friends, acquaintances, small poetry mags, etc who might like to hear of Poemhunter, you're welcome to press PH management for the missing details, adapt the article, add the fact that you yourself will be found on it as contributor...whatever, Gonzo... though whether the 'avant-garde' would want to contribute to PH is arguable, layout-wise or otherwise...anyway, feel free. I have reminded Teymur, Emilie, and Collette indirectly I guess, that the article is in suspense awaiting their infill.

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 4:26:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies

    The quotation mentions Stalin and Lenin - who else do you want to speak for Communism? They've taken over our finest houses in London, our prostitution industry, and now our football team(s) ... 'Rich Communism', whose ill-gotten gains (excuse the phrase) have been made by grinding the face of the poor in Russia to spend their riches in the world's capitals of kapital..etc...

    But shouldn't we be more worried about the oestrogen accumulating in our water supply, slowly evoluting men into infertile men-women with secondary bodily changes like pecs not acquired by gymwork? Is the solution (so to speak) to add testosterone to our public water supply, even if it evolutes women into Mrs Thatchers, while retaining handbags (or for American readers, 'purses' which however for Europeans has other intimate connotations...) ?
    Is this a conspiracy far more devastating for the human race than a few million deaths byfluoride? (Australian papers please copy, as we used to say in the press.)

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    • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (10/30/2005 5:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

      By the way, Americans say 'pocketbook' more than 'purse', at least in the NE, where purse does still retain its British 'flavour'.

    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (10/30/2005 5:44:00 AM) Post reply

      Actually, I have the sense that Britain is about to go into a more serious phase of Nanny State v. scientific truth debate. The US must be finding the same? Fr'instance, where to ban smoking? Ultimate ... more

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 5:15:00 AM) Post reply

      I will refrain from going into this as I know that you, Michael, can see what is behind the fluoridation issue. Yes hormonal disruption is widespread, Nature does cope with this rather well, toxins a ... more

    • Rookie Ikazoboh Austine Jeffrey (10/30/2005 4:45:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      yes micheal, i agree with you. But after ... more

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (10/30/2005 2:56:00 AM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    No conspriacy theory would be complete without mentioning Hitler. And that one does. Bravo! But darn it, it doesn't mention Communists. It comes close, with 'subversive agents, Godless intellectual parasites, ' which is pretty darn good, especially blaming intellectuals as it does, but I'll still have to take off 5 points from the score for not explicitly blaming Communists.

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 4:20:00 PM) Post reply

      I like how you hide behind your insinuations. I do this so people like you can get a bit of an education. H

    • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (10/30/2005 7:52:00 AM) Post reply

      I like how you spell out the name fully. It gives the appearance of scholarship.

    • Rookie - 150 Points Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 5:12:00 AM) Post reply

      Last time I looked, Vladimir Ilyitch Uljanov, also known as Lenin, was as communist as they come. H

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (10/30/2005 1:58:00 AM) Post reply

    Weekend reading, since nothing else has been posted.
    I couldn't resist this. No one can say that Einstein's nephew, who speaks below, is not a reputable scientist. Actually, no one has ever said it.
    'Quoting Einstein`s nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a
    prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror,
    Springfield, MA, January 1952:

    'It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the `next` on the
    agenda of the water poisoners.

    'There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless `intellectual`
    parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more
    extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true
    objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic-from
    within if they can, according to their plan-for their own possession. 'The
    tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy
    the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds
    towards their own ultimate victory over us.

    'Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most
    subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration....

    'As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22
    years,3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on
    my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let
    me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national
    suicide. Don`t do it.

    'Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no
    effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the
    most efficient rat-killer.... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from
    organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by
    nature, in God`s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our
    bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from
    proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable
    by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in
    fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble.
    The body refuses to assimilate it. 'Careful, bonafide laboratory
    experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual
    medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or
    promoting `dental health, ` fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth,
    before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other
    pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also
    creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal
    organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a 'health' plan?
    What`s behind it?

    'That any so-called 'doctors' would persuade a civilized nation to add
    voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable.
    It is the height of criminal

    insanity. 'No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939
    to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin`s Last Will and Hitler`s Mein Kampf:

    'America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within.'...

    'Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of
    water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other
    countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most
    effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no
    antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats.

    'Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick
    national liquidation. It is criminal insanity-treason! ' Dr. E.H. Bronner,
    Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.....'

    This was written in 1952. The essence of his words has not changed at all.
    Too much fluoride will be chemical castration, less will mean the slow poisoning of the population, while subduing them and destroy their spirit.

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