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  • Gol Mcadam (8/20/2005 6:08:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Thanks for the comments on 'Norbert Dentressangle Van'. Don't know who said it - it's probably something I overheard in the pub (must stop eavesdropping) . I have only recently started with poetry and have a singular ignorance of what's what in the poetry world. I hope that joining PH might remedy this. Yes, I'm in UK and might come up with more daft queries before I'm finished: -)

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  • Poetry Snob (aka Jefferson Carter) (8/19/2005 7:58:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    Gol, As we say in America, 'say what? ' This Hannah poem is the voice of 21st century poetry? Who told you that? Mr. Hannah? Well, maybe in UK it is (where are you from?) but it sounds more like the voice of early 20th century verse or specifically a flashy Stevie Smith. But well done. But not new in the least.
    I hope this isnt Englands (or wherevers) idea of the direction poetry SHOULD be heading. Snob

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  • Gol Mcadam (8/19/2005 1:36:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies Stage

    Does anyone feel they can comment on Sophie Hannah's 'The Norbert Dentressangle Van'? I know it has been hailed as a harbinger of 21st century poetry but wondered why. Thanks.

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    • Michael Shepherd (8/20/2005 7:29:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      Further research suggests that the 'New Generation' poets tend to be performers of their own poetry - which means that a certain slackness in the language can be covered by the performance. It does su ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (8/19/2005 5:41:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Omygod she RHYMES... well that's put paid to any chance of fame in the US this last fifty years...oh she's made it to the PH 500 list years ago...yes but with what? a neatly turned standard 'bloody me ... more

  • Poetry Hound (8/18/2005 11:35:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies Stage

    The thing I admire most about Amberlee Carter's poetry is the seeming effortlessness of her original imagery. Sometimes I read a poem by someone and admire it although I think the images, while original, are ponderous or forced or too self-conscious. Amberlee's images fit right into the flow. They seem effortless

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    • Max Reif (8/19/2005 6:35:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      I've enjoyed some of Amberlee's poems. I've found some stunning things in them. At least, they stunned me.

    • Gol Mcadam (8/19/2005 1:31:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      Amberlee is a young person with a poetic turn of phrase. I agree with Michael, she could have the makings of a good poet but maturity will be the key here.

    • Michael Shepherd (8/19/2005 12:50:00 PM) Post reply Stage

      I had stopped reading Amberlee, feeling that her poetry was all about Amberlee and love, and more for her own age-group to appreciate; but reading 'Swing-Sets' I feel that there's the making of a genu ... more

    • Poetry Hound (8/19/2005 11:58:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      Well, that's interesting. I wasn't reall ... more

  • allan james saywell (8/18/2005 4:23:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    WELL FORCED RHYME FOR ME IS WHEN MY MOTHER USED TO STAND OVER ME WITH A BIG STICK AND MAKE ME RECITE NURSERY RHYMES

  • Michael Shepherd (8/18/2005 4:03:00 PM) Post reply Stage

    Dear sinners against the fair name of Poetry -

    two things:

    a) there's a facility on the Home Page for telling PH it's too slow;

    b) you can make yourself an Adobe e-book so that your poems don't disappear into cyberspace forever like happened last year.

    and -take care out there!

  • Pradeep Dhavakumar (8/18/2005 4:03:00 PM) Post reply | Read 4 replies Stage

    Hi All,

    I have two questions on which I need your guidance/suggestions.

    1) On forced rhymes: Apart from sentence inversion what else is forced rhyme? I understand something like uncommon paring of words like I revolved is considered forced, but I revolved still does make sense. And I don’t understand why a creative medium like poetry is disallowed to create new pairs. And also what is forced for one may not be forced for another. In that case there is no CLEAR definition for forced rhyme. Am I right in my understanding?

    2) About the tense: When you write about the past, what is the best tense to write in? Could I write about the past in present tense without giving a clue to the reader that it is about the past? Like can I write now, I sit on my mother’s lap listening to the brave adventures of Tarzan. In what tense are childhood/past poems normally done?

    Thanks,
    Pradeep.D

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    • Herbert Nehrlich1 (8/19/2005 6:53:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      Even partial sentence inversion is acceptable if 'supported' by its 'justification', say an especially funny line or similar.I think you are correct that there can not be a clear definition, it all co ... more

    • Michael Shepherd (8/18/2005 4:38:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

      On past tenses: so few children in some countries (Britain and Argentina for a start) are actually taught grammar rather than usage these days, that ESL teachers find themselves having to waste much t ... more


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  • Hailie Barker (8/18/2005 5:56:00 AM) Post reply Stage

    hi everyone. i've just read Seamus Heaney 'Selected Poems' and loved it. i recommend it to Heaney fans. love hailie x

  • Max Reif (8/18/2005 12:07:00 AM) Post reply | Read 4 replies Stage

    Just went to the pharmacy to pick up some cough syrup for my wife. A friend was waiting for a prescription. He was excited about a book he had-ACTS OF LIGHT, THE LIFE AND POEMS OF EMILY DICKINSON! !

    He was thrilled by the ecstasy of her poems, as I was yesterday, researching my stanza.

    I told him about our corpus, -lowering my voice for the word 'boobs' as we stood in line together. Told him I'd share our little experience with y'all.

    The Beat goes on!

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  • Allan James Saywell (8/17/2005 11:36:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply Stage

    well i'm a major player in the school of life i have played the game for nearly six decades that is where i draw my inspiration from i live my poetry
    I see my poetry i am a major in the skill of survival
    And i am as mad as a cut snake

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    • Matthew Pearson (8/18/2005 10:01:00 AM) Post reply Stage

      Do you look into the flames of a fire and believe you are back in the middle ages?

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