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  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/4/2005 7:03:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply
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    I have just posted a poem dedicated to Sherrie. To be read after dinner.
    Sir H(jr)

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  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/4/2005 5:43:00 PM) Post reply

    Dont worry my little Sherie i still love you in a twisted sort of a way

  • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/4/2005 4:45:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    That brings up a question from this end. A book published by a university dental school (I had posted details about it here previously) has 'commandeered' my poem Teeth and they are apparently publishing it. I was never asked and only found out on Google. Not that I mind of course but when I sent in a poem about the London bombing to the british Medical Journal where I regularly write medical stuff they did ask me to confirm that the poem could be published. There probably are no fast rules (?) .

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    • Rookie Richard George (11/5/2005 2:06:00 PM) Post reply

      Is that the University of Michigan School of Dentistry? They've put my tanka epigram 'Breaking A Tooth' on their poetry web exhibition.

    • Rookie Michael Gessner (11/4/2005 8:19:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Mr. Nehrlich: If the poem is not in public domain, that is, it has appeared years ago, (country laws vary on this, I believe in the U.S. it's 27,) and the author is no longer living, then the pie ... more

  • Rookie Allan James Saywell (11/4/2005 4:14:00 PM) Post reply | Read 3 replies

    a great morning here in china perched up on the great wall drinking green tea
    and reciting my poetry to the great vast landscape

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  • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/4/2005 10:36:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Interesting article about Chinese poets going on-line these days. 'While affirming online poetry, some scholars also worry about the warm but confusing situation of online poetry because online poets follow their own inclination in writing.'

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    • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/4/2005 10:53:00 AM) Post reply

      Chinese poets admire Allan's poetry, he reminded us, so there should be some interesting developments soon in Chinese poetry.

    • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/4/2005 10:36:00 AM) Post reply

      It's at the top of the homepage right now, I meant to say.

  • Rookie - 7 Points Max Reif (11/4/2005 9:11:00 AM) Post reply | Read 6 replies

    Just posted a poem dedicated to you guys. It's called 'The Faces of People I've Never Seen'. ta-ta for now.

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  • Rookie Michael Shepherd (11/4/2005 8:52:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Seems there might be a place for a non-exploitative publisher to be upfront and say, we're selective but it's a way of getting you out there and we balance our books by selling the books...not unlike what 'small poetry magazines' do anyway?

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    • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/4/2005 11:20:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      There isn't any need to risk any investment anymore, Michael. You can put your books up with on-demand printing places for no investment whatsoever and they get printed one at a time as orders come i ... more

    • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 9:22:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I always tell my husband that when I win the lottery (ya never know) I would finance a poetry magazine that was circulated worldwide that was primarily poets off poemhunter....I would love that!

  • Rookie - 150 Points Poetry Hound (11/4/2005 8:26:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    At the risk of stating something unpopular, and knowing that this might anger Sherrie, my good buddy who is being published by Dogma Publications, I nevertheless have to say that Dogma Publications looks like one of those outfits that accepts almost anything sent in and then makes its money by selling you the book in which your poem was 'published.' True, they don't require you to buy the book like many such outfits do. But that's definitely how they make their money. Since there is no indication in their publications list of what poets are being published in their anthologies, why on earth would anyone buy one of these anonymous black-box books unless they know their poem is in it? Adding further to my suspicious, the dogmapublications.com website mentions not a single poet by name and has no links to other poetry sites. I don't think they care about poetry. They care about getting you to buy the books in which your poems are published. If folks think I'm wrong, please let me know.

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    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 9:45:00 AM) Post reply

      Well, I figure they can only 'scam' you if you allow it. I won't buy their books.....but I'll surely allow them to publish my poetry in them. I know there are people out there buying them whether it ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Raynette Eitel (11/4/2005 9:31:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      I don't know a thing about dogma but I do avoid poetry.com like the plague. It is disgusting. I know a sweet little lady who thinks she writes great poetry because they keep sending her awards and s ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 9:13:00 AM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

      Well, I'm pretty sure each poem I've ever submitted has been 'supposedly' published into one of their anthologies and I sincerely doubt if each one was 'print-worthy' I've even seen some poems that yo ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Marcy Jarvis (11/4/2005 8:49:00 AM) Post reply

      Poetry.com publishes everything? Actual ... more

    • Rookie - 150 Points Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 8:33:00 AM) Post reply

      Well, you're probably right P/H. I don' ... more

  • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 7:25:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    When your poem was published by dogma.......did you buy the book? If so, do you mind if I ask how much did they charged for shipping?

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    • Rookie Poetry Hound (11/4/2005 9:52:00 AM) Post reply

      Yes, Sherrie has vowed to beat me at Nude Scrabble ever since I beat her at Strip Monopoly. But it won't be easy to beat me. She knows I'll be stiff competition and won't get caught with my pants down ... more

  • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 5:45:00 AM) Post reply | Read 5 replies

    I have a question that I hope to get some opinions on: What do we consider plagerism? If we write something that somebody says they've read somewhere before (just a phrase) although we've never read it before.....is that plagerism? Surely this can't be. A line in my last poem reads:

    I'd trade them my tomorrows
    if that gained them one more day.

    And Herbert says he's read it before.......that it's not originally from me. Does that insinuate plagerism? I guess I'm a little confused because the line 'I love you' would have been plagerised thousands of times. I don't think Herbert was accusing me of copying it on purpose but it brings some questions to my mind about what can you really write that hasn't been written at least once before? Any thoughts? Sincerely, Mary

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    • Rookie Richard George (11/5/2005 5:35:00 AM) Post reply

      The lines are originally from the song 'Me And Bobby McGee'. Janis Joplin did it I think and the Grateful Dead as well. It's very easy for lines like this in songs to smuggle themselves into your memo ... more

    • Rookie Max Reif (11/4/2005 7:50:00 AM) Post reply

      Well, in the short story reading and writing class I took when I was 15, my teacher listed 9 themes and said all literature expresses those themes. (Somebody else said there are really only 2 themes, ... more

    • Rookie Mary Nagy (11/4/2005 6:18:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Herbert, I know you consider plagerism to be a VERY serious matter.....so, when you said that you don't consider that last part of my poem to be my original work, yes, I took it pretty serious. I'm ... more

    • Rookie Herbert Nehrlich1 (11/4/2005 6:14:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Mary, don't take things so seriously. He ... more

    • Rookie Marcy Jarvis (11/4/2005 6:04:00 AM) Post reply

      yes, I'm always afraid the dictionary pe ... more

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