Poetics and Poetry Discussion

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  • Richard Thripp (7/23/2014 10:04:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    'Poetess' Maya Angelou NEVER denounced convicted child murderer Winnie Mandela, nor did Maya Angelou remove her support for terrorist Nelson Mandela whose organization specialized in bombing railway stations & open-air markets. Indeed, Amnesty International NEVER petitioned for Nelson Mandela's release as Mandela (who pled guilty to 156 acts of public violence) refused to denounce the mindless bomb attacks against families that his organization [Umkhonto we Sizwe ~ abbreviated as M.K., Zulu for " Spear of the Nation" ] practiced.

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    • Jefferson Carter (7/24/2014 11:07:00 AM) Post reply

      Thripp Dick, yer a poisonous toad. here's a thought you might want to consider: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Go spread your toxins somewhere else.

  • Richard Thripp (7/23/2014 6:57:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    From the website of Snoop Dogg, 'Nigga 4 Life'
    Chorus: snoop dogg You's a nigga when you born, a nigga when you dyin Nigga quit lyin you's a nigga for life You's a nigga when you ridin, a nigga when you sidin Nigga quit tryin you's a nigga for life You can paint your face and change your nose and buy new clothes But you know what... You cant change who the fuck you are You's a motherfucking nigga for life

    Magnus Hirschfeld (May 14,1868 - May 14,1935) was a German physician and sexologist. Hirschfeld was an outspoken advocate for homosexual rights. Magnus Hirschfeld coined the word racism.

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    • Jefferson Carter (7/24/2014 11:09:00 AM) Post reply

      Yep, Thripp Dick, you's a idiot from the git-go, a bonehead fer life. Shut the F up!

  • Jefferson Carter (7/23/2014 1:43:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Gulsher, the noun " poetics" simply means the study of verse. The adjective " poetic" (musical, profound, etc.) is the one we need to focus on. If the noun " poetry" means something wonderful, which it does in every definition I've ever read, then there's no such thing as BAD poetry. That's why the neutral term " verse" is much more useful for discussions of artistic quality. Saying Adam Snow's writing is bad VERSE makes a lot more sense than Adam Snow's writing is not POETRY. It is poetry, just really poor poetry. Lamont is horrified, thinking I believe any text chopped into lines is poetry; I believe any text chopped into lines is verse. Whether it's poetic verse or not is another matter. Clarifying these terms seems crucial to me; Lamont thinks saying THAT IS POETRY is actually saying something meaningful; it's not.

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    • Professor Plum (7/24/2014 11:45:00 AM) Post reply

      Just to show what a sticky concept it is, Dr. Carter contradicts himself when he says, " ...It is poetry, just really poor poetry." I thought you just said that poetry was (only) " mus ... more

    • Tony Adah (7/24/2014 11:01:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Jefferson, mine is to know if one can from your definition of poetry And the derived conclusion of 'no such thing as bad poetry' say so for a poem? I will be glad to have you talk on this.

  • Jefferson Carter (7/23/2014 11:28:00 AM) Post reply

    Poemhumpers, looks like Colin removed his ad for his new " book" of poems. I didn't mean to be overly harsh in my post about it (below) , but self-publishing truly has ruined the chances for good poets to find enthusiastic customers. I realize how lucky I am to have an editor (Charles Alexander of Chax Press; check out his website at chax.org) for " Get Serious, " my new and selected, but I'd never self-publish my work. It's just too bush league.

    " Colin, I read some of your posted poems. They're not very good. Here's the problem with e-publishing one's own work—there's no editor to judge the quality of one's poems, just the poet's own biased ego. Everyone has a book out now; that's why you'll see the look of terror in your potential customer's eyes when you say " Hey, I got a book of poetry for sale...." The spread of self-publishing has just made it tougher for good poets to sell their books. Oh, well, I suppose unfounded self-esteem is better than well-founded self-hate?"

  • Jefferson Carter (7/22/2014 3:39:00 PM) Post reply | Read 2 replies

    Here's Lamont being an unbiased, thoughtful critic: " Your silly, lazy, and shamelessly self-serving definition of poetry (everything's a poem if its broken up into lines) is rejected by most poets in practice, even if not in theory." Most poets I know get gassy when defining poetry, and NO ONE has ever devised a widely-accepted definition. When I beat that dead horse of prose/poetry, I'm trying to clear away some theoretical underbrush, so I'll never have to hear another poet/critic say, THAT isn't poetry.
    Everything is VERSE if it's broken into lines; otherwise, it's prose. Simple, eh? Lamont insists on confusing the neutral noun " poetry" with the approving adjective " poetic"
    and the neutral noun " prose" with the derogatory adjective " prosaic." What a mess. AND, I'd like to add, anyone who can something poetic in Adam Snow's verse should finish that GED he abandoned years ago.

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    • Gulsher John (7/22/2014 10:44:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

      Actually the concept of line breaking, verse and these two pregnant WORDs- poetry and poetics-are causing lil bit confusion for most of us(even myself, before intimacy with Mr Carter's writings) uns ... more

    • Professor Plum (7/22/2014 7:34:00 PM) Post reply

      Let's go ahead and put this to rest. No one is arguing " verse" and " prose" . It's the terms " poetic" or " poetry" that are causing the ruffle. What makes for ... more

  • Co The Skipper (7/22/2014 12:49:00 PM) Post reply

    there is a problem
    i don't know which problem it is
    but that makes it even bigger
    there is a problem
    there is a problem
    i must play

  • Paul Tubb (7/22/2014 8:07:00 AM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Good Afternoon All,

    The Dog of Edward Aloysius Grey
    Was feeling rather bored one day...

    The Sun is shining in Dublin, and that is all needs to be said...


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  • Mike Acker (7/21/2014 10:31:00 PM) Post reply

    Sunday Morning

    Sunday morning, a time once reserved
    for choosing paths, reading signs, and mis-
    interpreting ancient thoughts, now just
    another morning for contemplating
    endless space. All sign-posts and markings
    no longer point. One charts courses on non-
    existent roads, which just yesterday were
    strewn with bread and red, cheap wine. Why north,
    now leads straight to south, and back again.
    East and west have gone into mists eternal
    and yet return. Its time for claustrophobia
    to envelope ever since the dimensions
    have collapsed one upon the other,
    even if only in imaginary minds.

    .......Sunday morning, still the same, reserved
    for going nowhere in particular, with no-one.

    Mike Acker

  • Jefferson Carter (7/21/2014 3:42:00 PM) Post reply | Read 1 reply

    Here's Lamont at his most generous defending Adam Snow's poop: " I dislike rhyme way too much to waste time churning out cliched rhyming doggerel, under an alias, just for your entertainment pleasure." Wow! With friends like this, who needs enemies? Or in Lamont's case, enemas?

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    • Lamont Palmer (7/22/2014 7:34:00 AM) Post reply

      I'm not Adam's friend. I've never spoken with him and he's never so much as thanked me for occasionally taking up his fight, at least as I recall. I'm merely objectively commenting on his poetry, beca ... more

  • Co The Skipper (7/21/2014 12:18:00 PM) Post reply

    ik denk, je pense
    ja ik denk niet in een taal
    ik denk niet, denk het niet
    ik denk, ik bedank mijne gedacht
    altijd het begint, eindigt in het begin
    maar aan welke wetenschap
    toebehoort deze gedachten?
    het is niet werkelijk de verdriet is

    i think, je pense
    i don't think in a language
    i don't think, don't you think
    i think, thanks my thinking to think for me
    always the start, the end ends in the start
    but to which sciences belongs all the process
    the thoughts are not real, the pain is

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